Hulk vs. Godzilla

 

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“Since childhood, I’ve been faithful to monsters. I have been saved and absolved by them, because monsters, I believe, are patron saints of our blissful imperfection, and they allow and embody the possibility of failing.” - Guillermo Del Toro


The Incredible Hulk, Marvel’s jolly green Worldbreaker.


Godzilla, Toho’s King of All Monsters.


In all our history of living on this floating orb we call home, Humanity’s greatest mistake is without a doubt the creation of the atomic bomb. In its wake, Oppenheimer’s invention was a means to set the precedent of what our future would look like if we chose the path of pure destruction. However, with destruction… comes creation, and here we have two of pop-culture’s greatest destroyers, born from the radiation caused by our mistakes.


What happens when these mistakes of humanity clash as the world shakes around them? Let's find out!

Before We Begin…

For Hulk, we will be analyzing the mainline version of Bruce Banner/Hulk from Earth-616, so no alternate versions of the Hulk, but it will be a soft-composite of the Hulk with anything canon to this universe, so some of the past equipment he has had and even some alters that are not fully standard. But it is not a full blown composite.


For Godzilla, we will be compositing the character to ensure we get him at his max potential, since Godzilla has gone through many iterations throughout countless movies, comics, video games, etc, everything that's considered “canon” to the mainline Godzilla series is on the menu. Since not only is Death Battle going the composite route, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense with sticking with just one “main series” Godzilla, which would only be Showa. As far as crossovers go, since he's a part of dozens, any and all non-canon crossovers are off limits, those like Shin Japan Heroes Universe, DC Comics, Fortnite, Super Robot Wars, Dave the Diver, Magic the Gathering, etc. Those like King Kong are valid, as his crossovers with Godzilla are expressly canon to the latter’s series/era in which they’re produced, and potentially the Godzilla Vs the Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers duology, since in these mini-series, it's shown both verses share the same cosmology, even on Godzilla's side it includes different eras/timelines such as Showa, 2000 and GMK floating among the vast multiverse.


However, in regards to Godzilla's multiple crossovers with Marvel Comics, specifically his 1977-79 self-titled series and the currently ongoing run; Godzilla Destroys the Marvel Universe, it’s a little different. Even if these appearances are indeed canon to Earth-616, for the sake of a more fair fight (and a more interesting discussion), we will not be cross-scaling Godzilla with Marvel. It's just how it is in Vs, we don’t make the rules


Last thing in case you couldn’t tell already, WE ARE NOT G1. THIS IS A COMPLETELY UNRELATED PROJECT MADE BY THE COMMUNITY. This also isn’t your normal Media Mania blog run by Tru, but we’ll get to that later.

Background

Hulk

I stand for life... the riot and the violence of life against the silence and darkness of the void, against death and those who bring it to those who do not deserve it, against pain, against hurt. I am stronger than anyone who would hurt me. I am more dangerous than anything that would kill me. I am fury and force and I am life incarnate. Indomitable. Untamable. Ferocious. Unstoppable.


Dr. Robert Bruce Banner grew up in a horrible home, with an alcoholic father who frequently abused his son and wife. After murdering his wife, Bruce’s father was taken to a mental hospital while Bruce himself was raised by his father’s aunt, Susan Banner. As a way to cope with the trauma he suffered, Bruce created an imaginary friend that he would talk to as a child and all the way to his grown-up years. This would lead to Bruce developing D.I.D. (Dissociative Identity Disorder), which is a first sign. Despite this, Bruce was a genius even at his young age, and his trauma didn’t stop that, transferring across multiple colleges and eventually receiving his Doctorate at Caltech, but this wouldn’t be possible if it wasn’t for funding from General Thunderbolt Ross who saw potential for Bruce and wanted him to make weapons for the US Military. Bruce was assigned to create a gamma bomb and when it came to testing it, a kid by the name of Rick Jones decided to hang out there and play a harmonica. Bruce raced down there to save him, but his assistant was actually a spy and decided to set off the bomb cause fuck it, and despite saving Rick from the blast, it was unfortunately too late for Bruce. To quote the original comic, “Altho’ many miles from bomb zero, Dr Bruce Banner is bathed in the full force of the mysterious gamma rays!”


Bruce woke up and seemed fine until he started transforming into something monstrous, something big and powerful. Bruce Banner’s imaginary friend somehow became a reality, as he transformed into a green goliath….. Is what I would’ve said if it wasn’t for a coloring error that would be retconned later-. Bruce Banner would transform into The Incredible Hulk! Early on in his career, Hulk was often a loner, despite joining a variety of teams like the Avengers, Defenders, and the Fantastic Four, he was frequently hunted down by the US Military, led by Thunderbolt Ross. Due to it coming whenever he got slightly angry, Banner often had to go into hiding to avoid the authorities, making a few friends along the way, including some heroes, and Hulk’s own allies like Rick Jones, Doc Samson, and Bereet. Hulk has often struggled in the battlefield of love, due to his monstrous nature. For one, there’s Banner’s wife, Betty Ross, who struggled with the idea of Hulk and Bruce for a long time, until during the 80s-90s where Hulk managed to equalize Banner and Hulk’s personas in the form of Professor Hulk. Despite the few bumps in the road, Betty and Bruce are often there for one another. Another love interest would be one of Hulk’s side of things, that being Jarrella, who lived in a microworld. Hulk met her after accidentally being shrunk down, which allowed him to save her and her kingdom and potentially get together until he frequently gets grown back to normal size every time.


Perhaps the most influential love interest, besides Betty, was who Hulk met when he was sent off to space by the Illuminati, where he accidentally knocked the ship off course and was sent to a warworld-like planet called Skaar. Hulk was forced into competing in Gladiatorial combat, along with other characters like Korg. This was where he met Caiera, the bodyguard of the Red King, ruler of Skaar. Hulk and Caiera got together after she turned against the Red King when it was discovered that he was the one that killed her family by unleashing creatures. She then wedded Hulk and got to know Banner, which further shows that she mattered to both Hulk and Bruce. By the end of it, she was pregnant with his child and ruling Skaar with the Hulk, but then tragedy struck with the shuttle that brought Hulk to Skaar, as it blew up, killing millions and his wife. Hulk believed that the Illuminati set this up to kill him, but turns out it was one of his allies, so he decided to launch an attack on earth, a World War where all the allies will battle The Incredible Hulk. Hulk defeats the heroes and forces them into gladiatorial combat, until Sentry shows up and they fight for a bit, then Hulk finds out what actually happened yada yada he turned himself in.


A lot more happened in the Hulk’s life where he formed a pseudo family with fellow Gamma Mutates, and other family members, as they formed their own unit, which eventually led to Hulk encountering the young, brilliant mind Amadeus Cho, who seeked to help Banner by not just being an aid to Banner, but even becoming a Totally Awesome Hulk, taking over the position for Bruce so he could finally get some rest and not have to worry about the Big Green Giant from coming out again. And the crazy thing is that it seemed to work… until the day Hawkeye took a shot to put Bruce down, as despite being cured, Bruce knew from past experiences that the Hulk wouldn’t vanish that easily. And after that point, Bruce would learn that Hulk ain’t just incredible… Hulk is IMMORTAL.


An all-new, all-different Hulk alter, known as the Devil Hulk would emerge from the deepest depths of the Hulk’s psyche, and take full control, sealing away all the other alters. What was different about this time was that this seeming Devil to Bruce… was more so a guardian Angel in disguise, as it was content to wait inside Bruce unless he needed to step in. It was also where Bruce learned that Gamma wasn’t pure science… but also something much worse… something deep below us… tied to the very being known as The One Below All, who had teamed up with an evil far worse… Brian Banner, his abusive father. Despite the massive turmoil Bruce was in, the Hulk never gave up on him and punched away the demons weighing him down and said that even though Banner had locked him away, he still cared about him and would protect him no matter what.


It was only after that, and facing off against The Leader possessed by The One Below All, where Hulk would learn the actual reason for his existence. He had been created as a counterweight in reality between the One Below All… and the One Above All, who very much mirrored the relationship between Bruce and Hulk. In spite of this odd revelation, Hulk still went out of his way to save Bruce and the Leader, forgiving him, and helping cure him of his gamma mutation. After that, the Green Door was locked up tight, as the truly Incredible one will always be… The Hulk.

Godzilla

Then you have a responsibility which no man has ever faced. You have your fear, which might become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


200 million years ago, there was once a species of large aquatic reptilians that thrived in the deep oceans and all lived peacefully. One day they would eventually all gather in the depths that would be the South Pacific and begin to hibernate for the next millions of years. Unfortunately, like the most poignant of stories, their peace wouldn’t last long. Hydrogen bomb tests by the American military began across the Pacific, permanently ravaging the flora and fauna that called it home. In the scorching blasts of the H-bomb, the reptilians would perish. However, that was far from the end of the story. There was one member of the species who not only escaped death, but suffered perhaps an even worse fate. The radiation of the bombs horribly mutated the poor creature, causing it to grow to extraordinary heights and power. Though he lurked mostly unseen in the waters by Odo Island for years hence, with the power of the atom unknowingly unleashed upon him, there was no closing Pandora’s Box. By 1954, the creature emerged for the first time in years, now fueled by rage and pain, attacking the villagers of the island and revealing himself to Japan and the world. It wasn’t long until he made landfall in Tokyo, reducing the city to a sea of flames. This monster wouldn't stop until mankind suffered the same pain as punishment for their folly acts. The public cried out his name in fear, despair and prayed to be spared. Inspired by the legends of Odo Island’s elders, they called him ‘ゴジラ’.


The beast became a legend, a myth, a warning to humanity about the dangers of nuclear testing. However the legend turned out to be more than just a threat to humanity, it became a world wide sensation. After the first attack, there have been many stories on what happened after this event. Some say he went to battle against monsters like himself, some say he engaged in combat against cosmic superheroes and neighborhood watchers, became a casual citizen of Japan. Some even say he turned out to be an eldritch deity from a higher plane of existence, crazy huh? 


Though this king of the monsters would never quite know peace. Whether it be rampaging through Tokyo and being stopped by giant insect gods, saving the world from alien invading three-headed dragons, battling it out with a robot rival, or the consequence of man’s action such as smog monsters or the satanic beast created by the oxygen destroyer. Even in timelines as a defender of Earth, man would seek Godzilla’s destruction. Failing to recognize that Godzilla’s actions are not personal, he is a force of nature that was born from destruction. 


But no matter the story, no matter the legend, Godzilla will always be a legendary force of nature, balancing the good and evil in the world through force and reflection. As it happened, the twisted result of humanity's greatest mistake ended up humanity's only chance at redemption. So, the next time the skies go dark, the Earth shakes, the sea begins to boil, and you hear that spine-tingling roar bellow in the distance… start running, but not out of fear. It's just Godzilla, the King of Monsters, coming to save the day once again. But, should one speak of the devil, keep your faith close and your hubris closer, god forbid Godzilla comes to bring balance to your imperfect world.

Experience & Skill

Hulk

The Hulk has been around for 62 years in comics, though in canon, he’s only been around for 15 years or less due to how Marvel’s time works. Hulk has kept up with a multitude of heroes with decades of experience like Thor and Surfer in combat. With his other personalities, Hulk has been able to gain a multitude of experience. Joe Fixit was a gangster that helped run a casino, Green Scar was a gladiator when sent away by the Illuminati, and then became the leader of the planet he landed on, and when he came back to earth, he led an army to overthrow the heroes. No matter the personality, Hulk often thought strategies to fight opponents or to get out of situations. Hulk has gotten out of quick sand by punching the side to get out, used weapons to keep a distance when fighting a guy who can absorb energy from a touch, or even reverted himself back to Banner at the exact moment before he dies to cure himself. He’s also smart enough to hate white supremacists.


As for the spare time, Banner is a genius scientist who’s often regarded as one of the greatest minds, with even characters like Doctor Doom acknowledging his intelligence. As Bruce Banner, he’s capable of doing precise and focused calculations where Hulk can destroy structures and objects with people, but never actually kill anyone, disarm weapons created by Leader, reached an answer for something that would’ve taken weeks but came to a conclusion in just 2 hours, created a device that would emit electromagnetic waves making any American city invulnerable to missiles, and rockets and even created a device that could’ve actually cured all waterborne diseases and called it a tuesday.


Godzilla


Godzilla has been around for over 70 years expanding across many different forms of media, which also involves different versions of the character. In general canon, Godzilla's been alive and combating enemies for thousands to millions of years, sometimes even into the future. He's combated and defeated many foes like Ebirah, who's claimed to be more skilled than Miyamoto Musashi, the greatest swordsman of Japan at the time; King Ghidorah, a being of supposed “super-intelligence”, King Kong and SpaceGodzilla who both are shown to be smarter than him through strategy/adaptability, and so forth.


By himself in battle Godzilla is well adept in martial arts like Wrestling, Boxing, Judo throws and is even a Black Belt in Karate. The original suit actor Haruo Nakajima (rest in peace) purposely incorporated his moves on screen when playing the character as he explained in an interview. Godzilla’s done some Karate in other media like the Monster Warrior manga, even shown to use weapons amazingly. Speaking of weapons, he has utilized guns, used trains as Nunchaku and uses the environment to his advantage on many occasions. He can sing, read, and has consistently been training to become stronger and better in many continuities, eventually surpassing a version of MechaGodzilla with a built-in learning algorithm made to predict and counter Godzilla's moves.

Equipment

Hulk

Pants

The Hulk wears purple pants that are pretty iconic. They must be pretty indestructible considering they almost never rip aha ha.

Tuxedo

Made by his buddy Amadeus Cho, this suit is made of Unstable Molecules so he can Hulk out while still looking very stylish.

Beans

Beans good

Gladiator Armor

Sakaaran battle armor that Hulk wore during his battles on Sakaar and his arrival back on Earth in the World War Hulk event.


Sakaraan Sword

Hulk gets this big sword from Sakaar that he used on his way back to Earth.


Big Guns

While dealing with a conflict on Trans-Sabal, the Professor Hulk alter used these big guns. One of them seems to be some sort of energy blaster and the other is basically a machine gun.

Mech-Virus

During the events of Sins Past, Bruce Banner waged a one man war against the armored Avenger, Iron Man, and was set on getting revenge for his involvement with the bomb that turned him into the Hulk. During this, he created a touch activated mech virus that was capable of shutting down communications in Arno Stark’s armor and feeding a sleep signal to his Hypothalamus.


Gamma Tracker

When trying to track down the Abomination after his assistant was kidnapped, Banner (in Hulk’s body) fashioned a gamma tracker in order to follow him and find where he took her.


BannerTech Stun Gun

As the panel may demonstrate, this stun gun can latch onto your face and make your body think it's having a stroke, with enough exposure potentially leaving you paralyzed as a result, which is strong enough to immobilize even the Red Hulk.


Mini-Propulsion Unit

For space adventures, Hulk has a backpack and air supply in order to make surviving in space easier.


Portal Maker

Laying around in the professor’s lab is a remote that can make portals for well, simple and quick transportation… though it was abused by a certain land shark to get some snacks

Timestream Armor

A suit made by Artur Zarrko and given to Hulk to stop the Chrono-Terrorist group who were messing with the timelines. The Timestream Armor allows him to travel through different Timestreams via jumping and energizing the suit. It was also made for the wearer to be protected by the Chronoarchist’s manipulation over time.


Digital Banner

In case Banner is out of commission, Hulk has a way around that with a Digital Banner copy, which was made when Hulk was going on time traveling adventures. It can last for up to 7 days once Hulk comes out, but it's best he stays Hulk in order to avoid any… issues.

Tommy Guns

Naturally, with having a gangster persona, Hulk has an XL size pair of twin Tommy Guns.

Battle Axe

After landing in the Dark Dimension, Hulk gains this pretty cool axe to help fight Mindless Ones

Ray Gun

After being separated from the Hulk, Banner was smart to keep some fire power on hand

Bannertech Shields

He also crafted a forcefield belt, which is capable of stopping bullet fire, saving Bruce from great falls, and allowing him to survive underwater. He can also fully wrap it around his body too.

Bannertech Teleporter

If he needs to make a quick getaway and take others with him, Bruce can use a teleporter to make a quick exit.


Bannertech Ice Eight Agent

Yet another gadget at this disposal, this gun not only freezes you but puts you in an intangible state.

Mini-EMP

Bruce also has access to a mini-emp which well… does what you think it does.

Bannertech Image Inducer

Banner has also created a device that allowed Amodeus Cho to disguise as him, or potentially let him disguise as other people.

Old Power Taser

When facing off his son from a micro world, long story, Banner had an Old Power taser equipped in order to combat his son’s New Power. While it can use the Old Power itself, it’s unclear if he can use the full extent of the Old Power with the Taser.

Jet Boots

He also has a pair of jet boots. Though unlike Stan Smith, he has a pair (time to kick it!).

Electric Glove

He also has a glove that can shoot out electricity

Handmade Napalm Rocket Launcher

This guy must have a lot of free time

600-Caliber Elephant Gun

As you can tell by the comic panel, this big gun can fire off gamma-dipped, armor piercing ammo.

Drum-Magazine Shotgun

And with this one he can fire off Vibranium Flechette Taser Rounds worth around 40 million volts of electricity

Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher

And this one can fire off grenade rounds with shrapnel laced with Anthrax… ouch

Liquid Lava Cannon

I mean this one does what it says on the tin

Hulk Pops

Get em while they’re cold

The Mind Palace


Among Bruce’s most cruel inventions is none other than the “Mind Palace” he used in Donny Cates’ Hulk run as the “Starship” Hulk. As the name implies, it is a mental construct within Bruce’s own mind initially made by the villain D’Spayre, disguised as Dr. Strange, as a mental space he has godlike over and can safely take over the Hulk with. But of course it was nothing but a trap played by D’Spayre and led to a tragedy that caused Bruce to make modifications to the palace. By integrating tech within Hulk's body itself, that can also repair itself at Bruce's command, he can lock up the Hulk and force him to get angrier by fighting waves of mental projections of opponents, giving power to this “Starship” that Bruce controls. It is considered impenetrable by Doctor Strange, able to push away his Astral form, and believes no sorcerer or Omega level telepath he’s aware of could’ve possibly created it. Bruce then integrates tech making use of Celestial energy to be able to travel across the Superflow, the arterial dimensional between-space between universes


Bruce’s Mind Palace also has other uses, such as the external tech itself also possessing turrets that can harm Thor, being able to connect to other technology and monitor what's happening on other computer screens, split the Bruce Banner personality into multiple Banners to operate Starship Hulk at maximum efficiency, and has a Doc Samson therapy program for... therapy. Within the Mind Palace, Bruce has been shown to battle invading spirits and minds ranging from the aforementioned Doctor Strange to Odin to even other alters like Titan.

Godzilla

Oxygen Destroyer

The weapon created by Doctor Daisuke Serizawa in case using it against Godzilla was absolutely necessary. The same weapon that did come to pass and kill the original Goji in 1954, just so happens to be part of his arsenal.


In the canceled Trendmasters toy line, ‘Godzilla Doom Island’, Godzilla undergoes a nasty mutation that gave him powers identical to Destoroyah. Godzilla can use the Oxygen Destroyer as a weapon when he opens his chest shooting a Micro Oxygen Ray of his own. What the Oxygen Destroyer can do is it can destroy all lifeforms on a molecular level by destroying their oxygen cells.

Items of SD Godzilla World: Gojira-Kun

Hourglass

Simply to freeze time for a short period.

Heart

Heart is used to recover health, like any other heart related item.

Thunder

Godzilla can summon thunderbolts to electrocute multiple targets at once.

Curry

Let's Godzilla breathe large amounts of fire. Heh.

Kaiju Nut

Transforms Godzilla into ‘Fire Godzilla’.

Hero Power

Transforms Godzilla into ‘GojiraMan’.


Super Godzilla Items

All are pretty self explanatory. With these items, Godzilla can teleport, freeze time for three minutes, become invulnerable and gather information on his enemies. The special orbs increase Godzilla's stats and restore his energy, health and “Fighting Spirit”. The Capsule S orbs turn Godzilla into Super Godzilla.

Crystal Power Surges

Energy Crystals generated from SpaceGodzilla's rampage that unlock elemental abilities and boost general stats such as Speed; which makes the monster run and attack much faster and jump higher or boosts Godzilla's regeneration.

The rest of the surges are elemental based, different ones either increase the monster's durability, add fire or even more electrical damage, negate regeneration, or even completely nullify and absorb projectiles. The more he holds on to this power the more passive the effects become. Would also grant total invulnerability for nearly thirty seconds.

If the said monster absorbs all seven surges, they unleash all their power into destructive shockwaves that paralyze their enemies. Fire, electricity, radiation and so forth are stronger than before.








Domination Power-ups

Godzilla has access to a variety of items from Godzilla Domination, these items can be used for self support or used against his enemies. They all either amplify statistics, heal, increase rage power, inflict confusion and negate attacks.

Ultra Armor 

The Ultra Armor makes Godzilla 10x more powerful than before. The armor is mounted with:




Hero’s Sword and Shield

When Neptune and Pluto cross by each other, space warps and a rift will drop ancient weapons from it. They're useful in combat for Godzilla.

Hero's Divine Armor

Divine Armor makes Godzilla stronger and holds holy properties.

Shoulder Blast Cannons

Godzilla’s armor also comes with shoulder cannons that shoot lasers. Helpful for attacking foes from range while also looking badass.

Light Reflecting Visors

Visors that allow Godzilla to see invisible enemies and can reflect light.

Ofuda

The Ofuda are talismans that are used to ward off evil spirits, even weakening them in the living world. This was first used by King Caesar to perform an exorcism to get rid of SpaceGodzilla's ghost.


Dr. Pepper

Sip up!

Effect Pieces & Facilities

In Battle Line, Godzilla has access to battle pieces if the battle goes south or for extra support. He can use multiple at once but only one each per piece until they're ready to be used again.

  • Markalite Cannon - Fires a powerful ray at nearby enemies.

  • JSDF Air Base - Produces AH-64D units every 6 seconds.

  • Energy Refueling Base - Recovers additional energy for the player.

  • MBAW-93 Unit Base - Produces MBAW-93 units every 7.5 seconds with their stun time being 0.4 seconds.

  • Godzilla Tower - Fires a steady blast at nearby enemies that deals damage every 0.3 seconds that increases in damage the longer it's active, dealing 10% of max for 1 seconds, 20% until 2 seconds, 40% until 3 seconds, 65% until 4 seconds and 100% thereafter.

  • Freezing Sonde - Slows enemy units within a circular area for 15 seconds.

  • Missile Strike - Damages enemies units within a circular area from an attack that hits multiple times.

  • Psychic Chorus - Heals your units up to five times every 2 seconds within a circular area.

  • Dimension Tide - Draws in nearby enemy units before a damaging blast hits the field.

  • Moguera '57 - Creates a burrowing damage effect to a specified location, which a Moguera unit then appears.

  • Unmanned Train Bombs - Damages enemy ground units along a horizontal line for first strike and then ground and aerial units for second strike.

  • KIDS - Teleports one of your units toward the opposing leader which takes 7 seconds.

  • Void Ghidorah - Deals a percentage of the enemy unit's max HP as damage each second to every enemy unit on the map, excluding leader. With it at full power it can deal 9.50% damage per second.

  • Operation Taba - Deals ranged damage in two horizontal rows with the first attack inflicting stun, although leaders are immune to this damage and the stun effect for 1.2 seconds.

  • Shobijin - Grants a secondary shield bar of health to ally units, facilities and leaders in the area of effect.

Tri-Bike

Look at ‘im go!

Magic Staff

Godzilla, or in this case “ShoGoji”, can revive the dead with his magic staff as seen in Godziban.

Abilities

Hulk

Gamma-Mutate Physiology

Years ago, in that fateful instant when the first Gamma bomb detonated and Dr. Bruce Banner was caught within its blast zone, something within the good doctor was irrevocably transformed — permanently altering his essence, allowing “the other guy” to emerge, with the two becoming one and the one became two, and searing the Hulk’s very presence & fury into the very fabric of Banner’s DNA. Now, Gamma rays are the most powerful wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum. Exposure usually causes various diseases or even death, but in rare cases (i.e. Banner’s), it can trigger the development of inhuman or supernatural traits, transforming ordinary beings into full-on Gamma Mutates; the specific physical transformation is likely affected by each individual mutate’s subconscious, though. In Banner’s case, it unlocked one of the physical manifestations of his suppressed DID (Disassociative Identity Disorder): the “Hulk,” a personality in his head that he’s been speaking to ever since his early adolescence. This turned Hulk into a “Gamma Mutate” — Earth’s very first. The way this transformation works is Banner’s adrenal medulla secretes large amounts of adrenalin in times of fear, rage, or stress, which via hormones, stimulates the heart rate, raises blood sugar levels, and inhibits sensations of fatigue. Whereas for normal humans, this secretion heightens physical capabilities, in Banner’s case, it (typically) triggers the complex chemical extra-physical process that transforms Bruce Banner into the Incredible Hulk. The total transformation time can take from 25 seconds to 5 minutes, depending on the initial adrenaline surge.


What does this all mean, though?; one might ask. Well, the Gamma radiation that first mutated his body fortified his cellular structure, and added several hundred pounds of bone, muscle, and other tissue. The escalation of adrenaline causes a corresponding escalation of Hulk’s brute strength (especially in times of stress); meaning the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. Without Banner present as a sort of ‘moderating influence,’ there is no limit to Hulk’s sheer ferocity and rage; literally no limit — “limitless,” “incalculable,” “unmeasurable,” “boundless,” — all mere, insignificant words that utterly fail to describe the bottomless well of strength incarnate that Hulk embodies. When the Beyonder assessed a Hulk that was separated from Banner’s subconscious, he ultimately came to the fundamental conclusion that Hulk is raging power personified; an infinity of power with no finite element inside [of Hulk].


The Hulk’s highly efficient physiology also renders him immune to pain and all forms of terrestrial diseases. He can tolerate extreme heat, absolute zero temperatures, and great impacts. His body temperature has been shown to increase exponentially when he expends his power, allowing him to break free from being trapped in ice. Strong enough impacts can injure him, but his incredible regenerative healing factor compensates for that. He can survive in the vacuum of space, in the ocean floor, and is (mostly) resistant to radiation (enough Gamma radiation has caused him to revert back to Banner before though, but these are very specific cases and, in most cases, he can just absorb it). Hulk also has virtually limitless stamina; he has fought off the forces of Hel for days straight, and a Sentinel once claimed that Hulk has unlimited stamina. Gamma energy is also able to revert the attraction of magnetic rays and Bruce can  literally smell Gamma if it’s around so that’s fun too.


But all this is just a facet of Gamma’s true nature. The Gamma harnessed and imbued into the Hulk originates from the Below-Place — not as a particle, not as a wave, but as a divine emanation of the One Below All (The One Above All’s antithesis). The One Below All is the primal shadow waiting in the darkness beneath all that is: creation’s other face, the face we cannot bear to see, and his Below-Place is the lowest layer of creation representing the purest conception of Hell. This is Gamma’s origin. It also does not solely adhere to being defined as a measurable scientific phenomenon; from another angle — from above or below — Gamma is a magic spell. It is both science and magic; in other words, Gamma radiation is science; it’s measurable, predictable, and it has rules… until it doesn’t. Until it makes Gamma Mutates “metaphor people” whose appearances and abilities are affected by their minds — until it’s magic. For reference, in the vast world of Marvel Comics, Magic inherently operates as a conceptual system that allows an individual to control the natural world. It’s a ‘metaphor’ that causes symbolism and reality to be one and the same, even down to the informational level; the cheat code to reality. It is essentially a higher narrative into the flow of events, imposing a narrative upon reality, imposing a story, a fiction into reality and willing it to become true, creating synchronicities [see more here]. And as Gamma is magic, it should inherently possess these properties.


Thunderclap

His signature technique, the Thunderclap is an attack that creates shockwaves that can cover a large area. It can push back foes, deafen them, snuff out flames, and has been said to put the strongest hurricanes in history to shame. Speaking of, it can even be strong enough to make hurricanes.

Rage Amplification

As the saying goes, the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. So as The Hulk’s anger increases, so will his strength and will continue to rise further and further the more rageful he gets. The increase can go from 3x increase, to a 10x increase, to 1000x and he can continue growing in power to the point it’s basically limitless/infinite! He endlessly grows in power to the point he can become stronger than himself. His rage can grow so much, that draining strength from him becomes a fool’s errand. However not just his strength grows as he gets angrier, also his abilities, durability, regen and so much more but more on that later.


Meditation

Through meditation, the Hulk has been able to achieve a blending of minds between himself and Banner, and they are almost able to prevent Titan from powering the Starship via meditation, which destroys almost all of the mental constructs meant to attack them


Extrasensory Perception

Hulk has the ability to see astral forms (including Doctor Strange’s), ghosts, and spirits. Bruce subconsciously feared that his father’s ghost would come back to haunt him, so the Hulk developed this mechanism in order to allow him to look out for him. The Devil Hulk’s resurgence also led to him having some odd clairvoyance, as he can sense when someone is lying, and Thor pointed out that the Hulk’s olfactory range has extended beyond the purely physical. The Hulk is also able to locate the area in New Mexico where he became the Hulk. The Maestro once told him that this was because his spirit was there calling for the Hulk. However, since the time the Maestro has been resurrected the Hulk has still been able to locate the test site, suggesting there is more to this ability. This homing ability also allowed him to find other people, such as how he was able to dig a tunnel underground exactly to the direction of Onslaught.

Non-Physical Interaction

Nothing can stop the Hulk, not even if your state of matter isn’t even physical, as here above he ripped apart the soul of General Ross. There’s also all the times he’s fought Zzzax, a being made of pure electricity, and thrown him around like he was made of solid matter.


When the Human Torch was possessed by the soul of a demon from Hell, Joe Fixit’s thunderclap separated the demon’s soul from Johnny’s [soul]; certainly impressive, even more-so than one would think as demonic possession operates on the spiritual, mental, & physical level: demons are stated to take over human minds and souls when they possess, and they can sink their claws into a person's psyche & claim it for themselves by possessing them.


Hulk can also interact with astral forms and detect where they are as well. Going as far as being able to destroy a dimension of dreams.

Healing Factor/Regeneration

Hulk isn’t just all raw durability, as he’s been able to take damage on occasions, which is a good thing he has a healing factor. Hulk’s regeneration allows him to recover body tissues from minutes to even seconds, ranging from blown off limbs, destroyed organs, or torn muscles. If Bruce Banner is injured while not transformed, Hulk will not only transform, but heal the injury as well. And similar to his rage, the angrier Hulk gets, the quicker he can regenerate. This has allowed him to heal from a variety of attacks from a variety of types of damage. He’s regenerated from his skin and muscle being blown off by Vector, his eyes being slashed out, his neck being snapped in a weakened state, a hole being blown in his chest by Doctor Strange, his brain being blown out, being cut into chunks, or being absorbed into a tree. He should also be comparable to other Gamma Mutates with similar DNA, who are capable of regenerating from just a single cell.

Resurrection, & Immortality

For all intents and purposes, the Hulk CAN NOT permanently die. Whenever a Gamma Mutate dies, they have the ability to travel between the Below-Place, which is where they go when they die, and the regular parts of reality by utilizing the Green Door, where they can “walk through” in order to successfully enable self-resurrection, though they have no memory of even being in the Below-Place after their resurrection. If either Bruce Banner or the Hulk die at any point, even if they were in an incredibly severe state of pain or damage, they will return at their peak. This means that the Hulk can regenerate and resurrect from being shot in the head, regenerating from chunks, being eaten, getting his heart devoured, and even full on pulverization. Sometimes Gamma Mutates can return through the Green Doors of other mutates, such as when Doc Samson returned through Walter Langkowski's Green Door as “Doc Sasquatch”.


Gamma Manipulation

The Hulk has been shown to have the ability to absorb the gamma radiation of other beings, weakening them while also making him stronger. He is also capable of absorbing pure gamma radiation from the surrounding atmosphere and isolated sources to restore his power and form. He has siphoned the gamma radiation from others such as Red Hulk, Sasquatch, and Rebecca Green. Absorbing gamma radiation can enhance The Hulk, like the time he and Red She-Hulk grew to be bigger than Fing Fang Foom. 

Energy Manipulation

When massively enraged, the Hulk can emit massive waves of gamma radiation that can encompass a city and possibly even more. It has been said that the Hulk’s body works like a “gamma battery” by constantly creating and radiating gamma energy. Armageddon once tried to employ the Hulk’s own gamma energy to power some machines so that he could resurrect his son, Trauma, however Hulk outsmarted him and consciously force-fed his energy at a rate that was too fast for them to handle, causing them to explode. The Hulk can also redirect gamma rays that are unleashed on him.

Size Manipulation

Through taking excess radiation, the Hulk can absorb enough gamma radiation to make him grow even larger. Such as when he absorbed the gamma radiation of several nuclear bombs, which made him grow to a monumental size up to the point that he was much larger than Fin Fang Foom.

Absorption

Of course as we've seen before Hulk is capable of absorbing other's Gamma. By absorbing enough Gamma from someone, Gamma mutants like Hulk are capable of completely absorbing their life energy as well. Though besides being able to absorb Gamma, Hulk has shown to be able to absorb many other energy sources, such as magic! Once the Devil Hulk alter, shattered a shard from Nyx and absorbed the magical power contained inside. He’s also capable of absorbing electricity if he happens to be struck by two bolts of lightning. He also was able to absorb excess Gamma Energy Doc Samson was giving off just by fighting him. He should also obviously scale to other Gamma mutants like Red Hulk, who was able to siphon the Power Cosmic from the Silver Surfer and the cosmic powers of The Watchers. Hulk, A-Bomb and She-Hulk, once got splashed by wishing well water and gained a bunch of mystic energy that they absorbed and augmented. Additionally, The Joe Fixit alter could absorb cosmic energy when he was only a soul. Gamma mutants can also filter magic just like what Betty did with Strange's magic and she would use it to generate a Green Door. Hulk can also absorb beings caught in the middle of his regenerative process into his body and break them down into an unrecognizable state. He also is capable of absorbing and destroying conceptual beings, like the manifestation of “Hope” that resided in Pandora’s Box.

Adaptability 

Hulk not only gets stronger the angrier he gets, he also adapts to almost anything thrown at him. Early on in his career, Hulk has been affected by gas multiple times, however by Hulk #172, he has since gained immunity. He’s also adapted to a sonic blaster while it was still blasting him, considered Electro’s electricity as an annoyance when very early on in comics he was affected by electricity. It’s also helped him adapt to other situations such as breathing underwater or in the vacuum of space. Even attacking Hulk with things he’s weak to repeatedly will just help him build a resistance.


Another thing is that if you hit Hulk with enough attacks, not only will he grow resistant, he’ll develop a new power to help fight against you. Such examples are when The Leader hit him with so many psychic attacks he gained telekinesis, or after fighting the Celestial Buster for so long, he began to be able to shoot lasers from his body

Conceptual Manipulation 

While many may break buildings good, but Hulk break concepts. As you can see above, Hulk was capable of directly effecting chains that existed more as concepts than actual tangible chains, and he was the one who broke them too.

Information Manipulation

A more interesting ability about the Hulk is tied to his very gamma and how it can spread and affect information itself. So one time when Hulk and Thor were having yet another battle, it got so intense that the gamma from Hulk traveled across the Superflow, a place in existence composed of pure information, and into another universe, who were able to not just see the battle, but see Hulk’s entire experiences and past as well, massively influencing their culture. Information itself does not only relate to Abstract and high-tier cosmic entities, but also composes part of the fundamental being of people along with the spiritual.



Law Manipulation

Breaking The Law, Breaking The Law! Breaking The Law, Breaking The Law!


If something gets in Hulk’s way, he’ll smash it down, and the Law of Physics is such an example, as when fighting Tyrannus, to get through a forcefield he had created, he grabbed and stretched it like it was rubber.


Space-Time Manipulation

The Hulk is no stranger to the manipulation of space and time, such as shattering (or smashing lol) the time barrier as shown above. As well as being the most fit to survive a cancer that affected the entire Timestream and breaking through a time storm that one of time travel’s greatest minds, Kang The Conqueror, did not build a machine capable of breaking through.  


Limited Spatial Manipulation

While Hulk has had his fair share of punching out space-time, his Titan personality demonstrated a rather unique ability to pull people’s physical bodies from across the Superflow by making use of their connection to astral and spiritual forms as shown above. Dr. Strange wasn't able to break out of this and was forcibly dragged from the 616 Earth to "Hulk Planet" in an unnumbered universe. This act is described as ripping them across space.


The Hulkscape

Within the Hulk does not lie two wolves, rather a whole dimension formed from his mind where he can not only manifest himself in, but that he can weaponize in a variety of ways where he can seal foes away, disguising himself and hitting them with meteors, and absorbing others. Whenever Bruce kicks the bucket and Hulk really wants control, he can send Bruce here to take over full control of the body.

The Green Door

Oh boy here we go. 


The Green Door, it is the metaphysical barrier that connects the Below-Place, the bottom layer of the Multiverse even below the deepest layer of Hell, to the real world. The Green Door was opened due to the Gamma bombardment in the real world, opening a hole in their world and a darker one, one filled with demons. After their death or if they're at least near death, the souls of gamma mutates cross into the Below-Place through the Green Door. They are then capable of returning to life when another Green Door manifests for them and they're even capable of looking through it as well, allowing them to see what happens in the real world. Though they usually retain no memories of coming back to life using the green door. However Hulk can freely cross The Green Door with all his memories intact.


Anyone with a bit of gamma is capable of seeing the Door. Such as when Frye injected his son with Gamma to cure him. This allowed his son to suddenly see a “Green door” that was “below him - below everything”.


The Green Door has been responsible for reviving Hulk for years every time he died. This allows Hulk to resurrect and regenerate from practically anything. You've already seen in his Resurrection and Immortality how broken his resurrection is, however, the Green Door even brings Hulk back from negation to his healing factor and regeneration in general. Even after The Green Door was closed, we do see that there's still one in Bruce's mind that the Leader comes back from. Other Gamma Mutants like Digger have come back from the Green Door, even a future Luke Cage (wait wtf) were capable of returning through a Green Door.


Of course this isn't all The Green Door can do. Besides resurrection, it can be used as a portal or even as a weapon. Such as when Betty used the green door to kill Moridum or when it was used as a portal to the fourth Omniverse.


The Below Place

At the very bottom of creation, beneath all things, is The Below-Place. It is the purest concept of Hell representing Thaumiel, the farthest sphere and opposite the divine unity of Keter. The Qlipphoth, The Tree of Death, represents the shadow of the tree of life and the word itself means “shell” bringing to mind the hollowness and emptiness of this spiritual path as opposed to the Sefirot. And in this realm we find The One Below All, the “Hulk of God” in the sense that he is vast and strong but is fundamentally empty. The Below-Place represents God’s anger, where he turns his face away from creation which takes the form of an empty being with no mind or soul and just desire.


Resistances


Cold: When Hulk was completely frozen in ice, he broke out unharmed by its temperature. 

Fire Manipulation: Has shrugged off fire from the Human Torch

Poison: Is stated that most poisons wouldn’t affect him, as Hulk was fine being in a room filled with neurotoxins and Banner taking too many pills wasn’t able to take out the Hulk. He was even able to nullify a toxin that was specifically made to counteract his healing factor and gamma physiology by getting angrier.

Pressure Points: A pressure point attack only made him more angry. Karnak the Inhuman, who can strike at the weakest muscular point on a person’s body, wasn’t able to effect Hulk

Size Manipulation: Shrink rays have only been able to temporarily effect the Not So Jolly Green Giant and Karnak’s ability to hit the weakest point in a fighter did nothing against the Jade Juggernaut

Disease: Banner himself stated to be immune to disease and infection

Vector Manipulation: Was able to power through Vector’s vector manipulation, survived existing in Nightmare’s dimension, which has no distance or direction and has no up or down, so any normal being who stumbles within it may aimlessly stumble in the air forever

Mind Manipulation: Bruce Banner himself was able to overpower someone mentally controlling the Hulk, hurting them in the process. The Hulk himself became immune to this mental control outright.

Telepathy: The Hulk is outright immune to Xemnu’s telepathy and can resist Xavier’s telepathy as well.

Memory Manipulation: Was unaffected by Peter Parker making everyone forget that he was Spider-Man.

Acid Manipulation: Could shrug off an acid rain

Fear Manipulation: Was unaffected by Nightmare making him afraid of his powers

Energy Manipulation: Can shrug off repulsor blasts from Iron Man

Emotional Manipulation: Starfox’s pleasure stimulation had no effect on him

Radiation: Kinda speaks for itself

Absorption: After being absorbed by the Man-Thing, he just punched his way out

Sound Manipulation: Endured an Ultra Sonic Blast from Iron Man with enough energy to power a Continent, and survived a whisper from Black Bolt.

Electricity: Can shrug off lightning from Thor

Lava Manipulation: Was fine after being soaked by Banner’s Liquid Lava Cannon

Age Manipulation: Was unaffected by a machine that ages the victims into dust

Paralysis Inducement: A ray designed to sedate him had no effect

Transmutation: Couldn’t be turned into glass, resisted High Evolutionary being able to turn someone into their component electric charges

Darkness Manipulation: Was able to absorb the Goddess of the Night Nyx’s power

Pain Manipulation: Survived the heat of a cosmic maelstrom, which unleashes an infinite ocean of pain mankind cannot perceive

Illusion Creation: Could tell he and Hawkeye weren’t in a real hospital

Matter Manipulation: Doctor Strange was unable to alter his gamma gene, and magic itself is capable of manipulating particles from higher dimensions, could tank a blast from a Nulltron Bomb that could polarize a person’s molecular structure, shrugged of a blast from a Sonic Assault Rifle which would rewrite molecules on the subatomic level, and survived Ultron’s Quantum Molder, which could reshape, modify, and liquify metal like Adamantium on the subatomic level

Law and Fate Manipulation: Broke the Pactum Aeternus, which is an unbreakable contract that once spoken the prophecy becomes A Law of Natural World, with the contract itself being used to give Hulk’s body up in exchange for life for Charlie 

Death Manipulation: Hulk survived a slash from a scythe that inflicts instant death and Elixir’s death touch would have no effect on him

Sleep Inducement: Was able to resist the effects of a knockout gas potent enough to put Bull Elephants to sleep

Void Manipulation: Was fine being in a place of unreality that did not exist

BFR: Broke through glass that should’ve sent him to the Negative Zone

Soul Manipulation: Was unaffected by Ghost Rider’s hellfire, which can burn your very soul. Bruce can also still become the Hulk even if he and Hulk’s souls are sealed away

Gravity Manipulation: Could survive in a dimension with gravity many times greater than Earth’s and could tear through an Adamantium netting that increased his gravity by a 100 times… if he was on Jupiter

Antimatter: A blast of antimatter only made him more pissed off

Possession: Souls not native to the Hulk’s body will be driven out upon trying to take over

Density Manipulation: Overpowered the Stranger increasing his weight 

Energy Absorption: On many, many occasions, the Hulk has resisted having his energy stolen. On other occasions it overtaxed those who tried to absorb it too. 

Space-Time Manipulation and Existence Erasure: Hulk was the most fit to survive the cancer affecting the Timestream, which could erase you across all points in time, and broke a time storm, something even Kang the Conqueror’s own time machine couldn’t do

Life Force Absorption: Hulk was unaffected by his very lifeblood being absorbed

Offensive Adaptation: Darwin, the Mutant who has the ability to adapt to anyone, chose that the best defense for the Hulk was to not fight the Hulk

Age and Cellular Manipulation: She-Hulk resisted Scarlet Witch aging the gamma cells within her body

Extreme Temperatures: Hulk has survived being in the vacuum of space on a variety of occasions

Evolution Manipulation: Hulk was unaffected by the High Evolutionary’s evolution ray.

Regeneration Negation: Can nullify a toxin that was able to counteract his healing factor.

Probability Manipulation: Cancelled out Wanda’s hex, who’s hexes alter probability

Magic: Due to the nature of Gamma being equal parts magic as science, Hulk would gain the standard magical user resistances, which has been shown to be applicable to those who are inexperienced with magic. Doctor Strange himself outright stated that his magic was not capable of effecting the Gamma inside of Hulk. Due to Hulk’s strong knowledge of gamma energy and being the strongest Gamma mutate there is, Hulk would naturally be able to resist the basics in Magic, including Conceptual Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Subjective Reality, Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Casualty Manipulation, Plot Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, Immortality Negation, Physics Manipulation, Durability Negation, Vibration Manipulation, and Curse Manipulation.

Godzilla

Daikaiju Physiology

Being the Daikaiju he is, Godzilla on default is gifted with vast superhuman strength, durability, senses and speed; being highly resistant if not immune to conventional weaponry and being more destructive than real world natural disasters. Like other strange beasts, Godzilla is able to freely manipulate energy whether it be absorption or firing energy beams of destruction. Goji possesses unlimited energy, plus he can live for millions of years, possibly forever. Godzilla proudly stands over 120 meters tall and weighs up to 100,000 tons. Godzilla's biology is more unique than others; his dorsal plates aren't connected to his skeleton, flexible yet razor sharp; bones denser than titanium; internal glands that store atomic energy; several internal radars and an infectious ‘G-Virus’ that make plants and animals grow gigantic upon interaction. Godzilla’s stomach can absorb everything it consumes and convert it into atomic energy overtime. His intestines extract Uranium to also generate energy, his energy sac stores Uranium fluid and high-voltage electrical currents.


Godzilla’s radioactivity is severe enough to reenact the Chernobyl incident a million times over. His blood, fluids, and mere presence make entire cities uninhabitable for most life, even the entire planet was left in a nuclear fallout, twice. Radiation is what gives Godzilla new powers and his radioactivity can increase its intensity with anger. His roars are intense enough to reach even the void of outer space. Godzilla can control his body temperature to where it can either boil entire oceans or freeze them.

Glowing Particles

Glowing particles teleport things through different times and spaces. They can also inflict memory loss.

Black Particles

Snow Godzilla's Black Particles can turn people into monsters upon interaction with his body.

Bodily Weaponry

Godzilla is armed with razor sharp dorsal plates, claws, teeth and elbow spikes. Godzilla uses his tail for grappling or smacking targets away as well as deflecting energy attacks.

Agility

Godzilla is incredibly athletic despite popular belief. In close quarters combat, he’s shown the footwork of a boxer and the techniques of judo with startling proficiency. Martial arts aside, he's been capable of dodging attacks at close range, sprinting across valleys in a very short time, jumping extraordinarily high and far and much more. Godzilla can be a swift attacker and once blitzed high-speed space crafts. He avoided Kong's axe swings when Kong was supposed to be faster than him. Goji can even leap into space with the assistance of a few basic balloons.

Amphibiousness

One of Godzilla's fastest ways of traveling. Any body of water is almost an extension of himself, Godzilla was born to thrive in its environment and extreme deep water pressure.

Irradiated Heat Ray

The ever violent Heat Ray, or “Atomic Breath” as it's called in the West, is Godzilla's trademark attack. A beam of atomic energy spewing from Godzilla's maw or nostrils. The Heat Ray has shown throughout history to tag and overpower countless opposing forces that came his way, with its range even expanding into space. It's got a dozen different variations.





  • Black Smoke - Godzilla emits thick clouds of black smoke that engulfed Tokyo before becoming the Thermal Flame as seen in Shin Godzilla.


  • Fire Breath - Radioactive or not, Godzilla's alternative fire breath is just as basic as it sounds. In addition he can exhale flames through his nostrils.






  • Particle Beam - Godzilla Earth's variation of the atomic breath is a highly-accelerated charged particle beam. The beam itself is strong enough to destroy Los Angeles with a single shot and melt the Himalayas.


Spiral Heat Ray

The Spiral Ray is Godzilla's more powerful variation of the Heat Ray. They too come in many different varieties.


  • Spiral Heat Ray: This more common version of the Spiral Ray is a more powerful version of the atomic breath being wrapped in a purple electrical spiral.


  • Uranium Atomic Heat Ray: A red and more powerful version of Godzilla's atomic ray that was gained after Godzilla absorbed Fire Rodan's life energy. It has a temperature of 1,200,000° Celsius, hot enough to burn Godzilla's mouth and would potentially ignite the Earth's atmosphere if not concentrated properly. This version was strong enough to melt Super Mechagodzilla's diamond coating in seconds.


  • Nuclear Fission Heat Ray: After the destruction of SpaceGodzilla's shoulder crystals, Godzilla absorbs its cosmic energy and uses it to destroy his clone, MOGUERA and a large portion of Fukuoka. The beam only reaches temperatures up to 900,000° Celsius but demonstrates even more destructive power than the Uranium Heat Ray.


  • Burning Heat Ray: Burning Godzilla's default beam weapon, presumably a stronger form of the Spiral Ray used by his previous form.



  • Heavenly Spiral Ray: Possibly one of Godzilla's strongest attacks. As he's blessed by Heaven's forces, Godzilla's surrounded by a purple aura, now even stronger than before. Godzilla may have destroyed the portal to Heaven with it.


  • Demonic Spiral Ray: The millions of Hellbats that compose Godzilla's body all would let loose a colossal sized spiral ray strong enough to vaporize the God Demon whereas Godzilla couldn't even use his atomic breath before.

Heat Vision

Another alternative energy attack from The Godzilla Power Hour by Hannah-Barbara. Godzilla’s quite a sharp shooter with these laser beams. 

Nuclear Pulse

If Godzilla were to be surrounded in overwhelming numbers, he would let loose an omni-directional wave of atomic energy from every part of his body. Perfect counter to grappling and overall crowd control and has used it to blow away hordes and enemies apart when they managed to consume him like Orga and the doppelganger from Godzilla In Hell. It is also electromagnetic.

Plasma Cutter

Godzilla Earth generates a powerful plasma shockwave from a swing of his tail beyond supersonic speeds covering hundreds of meters.

Energy Manipulation

Outside of his heat ray and nuclear pulses, Godzilla can control energy in any way, like empowering his fists to deliver nuclear punches, release energy beams from his body and the ground, releasing a violent aura of energy, EMP waves, using energy bursts as an alternative way of flight and more. Godzilla has destroyed energy beings like Battra and pierced through containment fields fueled by black hole energy. He's been exposed to harmful energies and adapted to them to where they became part of his physiology.


Absorption

Godzilla no doubt has the ability to absorb many foreign sources of any kind whether it'd be active or passively soaking them up like a sponge. Radiation is a no brainer, he can eat up all kinds of radiation even gamma and cosmic, and electricity would serve as an extra dose of power and healing. There are other bizarre things Big G has consumed before not many would guess are souls/lifeforce, as he's done so with Fire Rodan's soul to gain a power boost; Mothra's essence granting him much better senses. He's consumed tons of souls in the past as what will be explained more later on. Raw DNA is on the menu for Godzilla too, while preparing to go to war with the Skar King, he hunts down Tiamat, kills and eats her, absorbing her DNA resulting in holding the pink energy she had.


As for his clones, Biollante and SpaceGodzilla, who were created from Godzilla's G-Cells, it wouldn't be out of place for Godzilla to share some of their capabilities to a degree. For Biollante, in The Godzilla Comic Raids Again, she absorbed the energy from King Ghidorah's gravity beams, morphing into her aggressor and mimicking his moves. SpaceGodzilla is prone to consume large amounts to even an infinite amount of cosmic energy from the universe. Even Godzilla himself absorbed SpaceGodzilla's cosmic energy in retaliation and is what had him develop the Nuclear Fission Heat Ray to begin with. He does it again in Rivals: Vs King Ghidorah which gave him another super boost.

G-Cells

Organizer G-One, or Godzilla Cells are one of Godzilla's deadliest weapons in his biology and is known as a genetic treasure trove. G-Cells would be the main source to his indestructible ability of regeneration, super powers and being responsible for clones like Biollante, SpaceGodzilla or Megaguirus coming to be. Through Godzilla and his clones, inheriting G-Cells grants them immortality by default through living eternally or constantly regenerating. Nuclear weapons would be powerless compared to them and can absorb nearby energy and their sources. It possesses extreme adaptability to any environment. G-Cells have also recently been able to revive the dead in Godzilla Minus One. Although G-Cells would do more than anything mentioned before, like assimilating the victims of the G-Cells and turning them into monsters.

Adaptability

Godzilla would continue to evolve to achieve higher forms when need be. He's adapted magnetic abilities, flight, and other new powers on the fly, and has adapted to his opponent's mid-battle. The Heisei Godzilla is comparable to Biollante who is constantly evolving. In his final battle against the Thousand Year Dragon in GMK, Godzilla absorbs Ghidorah's gravity beams and uses them against him with his golden Gravitational Atomic Breath. In Godzilla Vs Biollante, Godzilla was infected by Anti-Nuclear Energy Bacteria and eventually overtaxed and removed it in his final confrontation with Biollante. Shin Godzilla's incarnation would mutate his DNA to counter many situations and threats thanks to his genetic evolution having eight times that of human beings, with that he was able to journey through five different forms with each later evolution removing his previous weaknesses. 


In Singular Point, Godzilla also undergoes multiple phases of evolution; Aquatillis immediately takes on an amphibious form as he goes on land for the first time; Amphibia enters a state of metamorphosis after his death; Terrestris changing into Ultima in mere moments during battle; Godzilla Ultima growing to a whopping one hundred plus meters and then becoming The Omega Point, which would outgrow the singularity inside himself, the universe and would seemingly seep into other dimensions and expanding his multiversal domain. The fearsome MonsterVerse Godzilla evolves after absorbing external DNA from Tiamat and an overcharge of solar winds, increasing his energy capacity twenty times, having denser skin and becoming even more versatile in combat. When Godzilla was vulnerable to nuclear weapons, he adapted to absorb its energy as seen in Godzilla Minus One.

Burrowing

One of Godzilla's less common traits is the ability to burrow underground. Godzilla used it solely for ambushing or additional mobility. He's gone far enough to where he swam through molten rock in Godzilla Vs Mothra and Godzilla: Project Mechagodzilla.

Magnetism

Through sheer adaptation, Godzilla absorbs enough electricity to give himself magnetic powers to counter Mechagodzilla in Godzilla Vs Mechagodzilla.

Flight

Firing his heat ray at a specific amount, Godzilla fully takes flight. He can also reach the skies through using his atomic pulse to propel himself. Godzilla’s even flown through the vacuum of space to different star systems in Godzilla Domination.

Self-Sustenance

Godzilla can survive for long periods of time without food, water or air. He can survive the intense water pressure of the ocean as well as the vacuum of space and has done so multiple times in Invasion of Astro Monster, Godzilla Domination and other media.

Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception

Godzilla has an incredible sense of awareness of nearly any kind, with a keen sense of smell. The MonsterVerse incarnation is capable of hearing echolocation, can feel continental shifts, has memorized the ocean’s topography and sounds of its creatures, pollution and hearing the ping of the ORCA through all the sensation. During Godzilla Dominion, Godzilla's senses expanded even beyond the sea, the Hollow Earth and currently understands the land, air and sea all at once, viewing them as one part of himself. He can feel the very stars and pull of the moon. Godzilla could feel Kong's axe charging up in the Hollow Earth and sense Ghidorah's awakening thousands of miles away and a few days ahead. Godzilla can see radiation and when Tiamat blinded him, he was still able to see. Godzilla from the Pipeworks series has a sixth sense which gives him time to accurately travel where he needs to be. He has a sharp sense of feeling and detecting the emotions of others.


Godzilla would also feel the presence of other monsters and predict where they will appear and has awareness of underground activity as he located Burtannus's nest in the Dark Horse Comics. In GMK, Godzilla strikes Mothra while not having a clue she was behind him and did the same in Rulers of Earth. ShodaiGoji would have a Thermal Radar, which is so sensitive that the situations involving Godzilla getting lost is impossible. Godzilla Earth senses Gorath's arrival five years ahead of time in Godzilla Monster Apocalypse and uses the advantage to prepare to destroy it. In Shin Godzilla, he would also possess a Phased-Array Radar, which can detect threats without needing to see them at all, unconsciously shooting down drones while he was hibernating.

Regeneration

Godzilla isn't completely invulnerable, but getting injured would also be a mere irritation. Godzilla is gifted with an incredibly powerful healing factor that can heal nearly any wound imaginable without tiring out. Godzilla’s managed to fully regenerate from exposure to the Oxygen Destroyer which isolates oxygen molecules and splits them. Godzilla would regrow a new head in seconds shown above, quickly repair his brains, and would instantly recover from Destoroyah's Micro Oxygen abilities which all behave identically to the Oxygen Destroyer. Scaling from IDW's Orga, had he previously absorbed Godzilla's cells, was able to regenerate from being blown to bits by Jet Jaguar. MinusGoji's body was torn apart by the Operation Crossroads nuclear bomb testing and soon recovered. The healing belonging to the incarnations from A Space Godzilla and Shin Godzilla have the potency to completely reform from a single cell, although it would take months, at least for ShinGoji. Scaling to SpaceGodzilla, who's stated to regenerate from energy particles. Goji’s remarkable regeneration also allows him to utilize his own body parts as weapons, such as ripping an arm off as a distraction, or gouging out eyes to counter distorted dimensional planes. Yuck.

Animal Manipulation

Thanks to the G-Virus, nearby wildlife will be gradually mutated thanks to exposure to Godzilla’s radiation, like how normal sea lice grew into the murderous Shockirus. Human-sized organisms would also emerge from Godzilla's behind, whether it be swarms of leeches, or Meganulon. A single Meganulon can bludgeon and stab humans to death.

Psychokinesis

Godzilla is no stranger to psychic attacks. Impressive psychics like Miki Saegusa, who's capable of reading minds from hundreds of miles away, immediately passed out from an attempt to engage in a psychic battle with Godzilla, as shown above. Later in Godzilla Vs SpaceGodzilla, Miki receives a machine that amps her psychic powers greatly, only for Godzilla to once again overpower her and overload the machine. Godzilla, or ‘Rozan’ in A Space Godzilla, holds a psychic connection with a human woman, Momo, on Earth from the other end of the universe. Rozan also mind controlled Psychic in order to speak with the other humans. Godzilla’s own mindscape is shown to be galactic in size.

Dream Merging

If Godzilla's mind were to be linked with someone else, he can sense their emotions through his dreams. The same would apply to those linked with his, letting them experience Godzilla's own dreams from his point of view and feeling his emotions.

Non-Physical Interaction

Godzilla has beaten elemental intangible monsters in Godzilla The Series. In Godzilla Vs Mothra 1992, he ragdolls and kills Battra who's made of pure energy.

Atmokinesis

As a side effect of his rampages, Godzilla has a history of creating violent thunderstorms and blizzards, which all make good use of an extra way of absorbing energy. Godzilla’s clash with Sub-Zero Manta created a tornadic-superstorm with each monster rapidly creating their own warm and cold fronts.

Rage Power

In addition to absorbing energy, Godzilla's power would also be fueled through extreme emotion, rapidly becoming stronger through his unbridled rage. All of Godzilla's strength would increase tremendously, and in the CR Pachinko game series, Godzilla would transform into his “Ultimate” mode when his anger reaches its limit, boosting his stats twice fold. Godzilla’s rage power in Save the Earth increases his stats by 120%. However, if Godzilla becomes even more angry than before, he would enter a berserker state growing even stronger than before. “For him, pain equals rage, and rage equals power!”

Duplication

Godzilla has shown on numerous occasions to have the remarkable ability to create clones of himself. A notable example is Godzilla Filius, who shared the exact same physiology and powers as his predecessor. Godzilla can also force plant and animal life left exposed in his vicinity to adopt aspects of his biology, such as the swarms of Servum that overran the Earth 20,000 years after the last remnants of humanity had left. In the SD Godzilla World: Gojira-Kun series, he can multiply into several Godzilla-men at once, as shown above.

Supernatural Willpower

Godzilla, a creature evoking the fears lurking within the darkest crevices of mankind’s thoughts, has incredible control over his own willpower. This has helped him to continue fighting even when exhausted and/or severely injured, oftentimes coming out on top regardless. When at its strongest, it makes him capable of breaking out of Mothra's magical seal, all through pure willpower alone.

Power Mimicry & Nullification

In Godzilla Unleashed, after Godzilla defeats an enemy, he copies their abilities and even prevents them from using said ability, like stealing Titanosaurus's Crystal Surge, Destoroyah's Radiation Surge and others.

Space-Time Manipulation

With the various items previously mentioned, Godzilla can simply freeze time. The Godzilla from the MonsterVerse was able to pierce through a space-time barrier between the surface and the Hollow Earth with his Atomic Breath. Rozan is able to fully warp time in A Space Godzilla and was capable of reversing and nullifying the effects of deadly spatial manipulation with her Eye Bombs. In Godzilla Defense Force, when Godzilla dies, another Godzilla will return to battle through space-time vortices and replace the previous Godzilla that's fallen in battle due to his presence throughout history, even when they're supposed to be completely vaporized they will resurrect stronger than before. This applies to every other monster in the game. The game features monsters from different eras/time periods with the EDF questioning on how these monsters keep showing up. The limit on how many times Godzilla can revive is unknown.

Reality Warping

In A Space Godzilla, Rozan has shown to casually warp reality. In Get Going Godzilland, Gojira-Kun and his friends can bring seemingly anything into reality through sheer imagination, objects and living beings were real enough to harm both Goji and Anguirus. In the same series, MechaGodzilla held Anguirus prisoner in his cave, once challenged by Gojira-Kun and friends, he created an entire stage show out of nowhere and then it disappeared after he was defeated.

Soul Manipulation

Godzilla is aware of souls and uses them to his advantage. In GMK, Godzilla consumed millions of souls to prolong his life, probably countless souls. The MonsterVerse Godzilla would absorb Mothra's life force after her death and has done the same with Fire Rodan's soul in Vs Mechagodzilla 2 to become stronger. Godzilla also performed this in Rulers of Earth as Big G absorbed the lifeforce of thirteen other allied daikaiju to amp himself with power that would surpass Magita whereas he and his allies were previously no match for the Trilopod queen. In Warning From G, a martial artist successfully kills Godzilla with the Koppō technique capable of killing anyone in a single attack but costed him his life. His wife, now a widow, gives birth to a child, Kentaro, but to her horror, Kentaro was hostile and soon revealed himself to be Godzilla after reincarnating and possessing the infant, purging his soul into the Spirit Realm and replacing it with his own.

Madness Manipulation

Through telepathic communication, there is a chance that Godzilla could unleash a “wave motion virus” which, should it be allowed to contaminate the population of Earth, will cause every human to fall into murderous insanity. Post-contamination, the planet would become uninhabitable for the next thousand years.

Sixth Sense

Ever wonder how Godzilla manages to seemingly always pop up exactly when he’s needed? You may have thought it was just convenient writing, but it’s actually another one of Godzilla’s many abilities! While his incredible senses and perception can and have been explained, he can also just… sense where he needs to be at a given moment. How? Why? Who knows! Isn’t the mystery the best part?

Toon Force & 4th Wall Awareness

Godzilla's shown to break the 4th wall and perform unusual actions like any other toon force user as seen in Get Going Godzilland! and Chibi Godzilla. 

Teleportation & Dimensional/Time Travel

Rozan can warp between long distances, to different places and dimensions. Snow Godzilla from Shinkalion can teleport himself and things through different times and universes with Glowing Particles. Gojira-Kun can create portals with the Master Key as explained before.

Immortality & Resurrection

When the king of the monsters meets his end, it's never truly the end of him. Although Godzilla would live seemingly forever and his fast self healing, Godzilla would also return from the dead numerous times through the media. Godzilla revives an hour later when Bagorah attempts to eat his corpse in the Dark Horse Comics and revives after seemingly getting completely erased by Zeus, physically and spiritually. Godzilla would cheat death by transferring his soul to other organisms and take their place or use them as temporary puppets. During his imprisonment in Hell, Godzilla couldn't be killed off permanently in any traditional sense as he, King Ghidorah and Destoroyah would keep killing each other, revive endlessly, just to kill each other again and again.

Ultima

Note: Ultima by the end of the story is stated to possess the abilities of other Kaiju in the story like Anguirus and Rodan, hence it will be receiving their abilities as well. As the computer SHIVA is also acknowledged as part of the Singular Point and both Ultima and SHIVA are directly compared, anything stated for the aforementioned super computer will also apply to Godzilla,

Higher-Dimensional Existence & Multiple-Selves

All Kaiju are small parts of a whole that is "It" meant to fulfill specific roles. All Kaiju are made out of Archetype/The Red Dust, which are molecules that partially exist in higher spatial dimensions. Countless kaiju and archetype molecules flow from and rely on the main "stream" that is It. The connection between Kaiju like the Rodans and “It” is described as antennae extending from them to "countless dimensions extending orthogonally to them... exploring the ocean of all possibilities". The insect kaiju have “arms” that extend into different higher dimensions. SHIVA, a “super calculator” that is called an “organ” of Godzilla’s and another side of the same singularity, is able to perform calculations requiring higher dimensions of space and distort the direction of time to form closed loops.


All kaiju are just branches of a greater tree, “It”. Humans can only perceive them as separate "dots" because we can't perceive the whole structure. Among all other kaiju in the story, Godzilla is unique in either being/containing a singularity/Singular Point within itself and stands atop the tree that is "It" from a hyperspatial standpoint. It is impossible to interact with the Singular Point from within space-time as it is akin to characters within a movie trying to repair damage done to the movie screen. If Ultima Godzilla were allowed to complete itself, it would become the Omega Point, growing past our dimension and destroying the Singular Point apart. The singularity was merely an incubator.


Acausality

"It" views time as a dream within a dream and reality as memory, with the past and future intertwined from its perspective. "It" can see the "end" of extensions of itself like the original 1954 Godzilla and those associated with its defeat. Even lesser Kaiju that act as extensions of “It” can recognize when it will encounter someone or something important in the future.


When “It” discovered our universe, it began creating memories of itself in this world in the past and future and started seeing multiple possibilities. From its perspective, instead of emerging from an embryo, it grew its physical body in our world into the past. This act is described as "falsifying the past".


When certain Kaiju devour prey, they are sent to and from the past and future, making it so that essentially their fates had always been decided and the spiders were just supposed to reconfirm these details. Their threads spread across the directions of past and future.


While inside of SHIVA, Pelops II describes its existence as being within both past and future, yet even this is just the experience of a fragment of the unconscious or a single ray of the senses.

Probability Manipulation

From "It's" perspective, it is constantly dreaming what seems to be new possibilities constantly throughout time, experiencing both endless defeat and endless victory all at once. It has defeated its own defeat, and destroyed all the worlds it has defeated while seemingly unbothered/unaffected by its own countless defeats.


When creating its main body in our world (i.e. Godzilla), it used information gathered from other Earth creatures by previous kaiju where every possible arrangement of tissue after endless trial and error was considered to form the "best of possible possibilities". The antennae of the Rodans are described as "exploring the ocean of all possibilities".


Godzilla could see numerous possibilities in the evolutionary path it could have chosen and selected the possibility that maximized its chances of victory. It saw multiple possibilities on how to tackle its attack on reality and simply chose among the winning strategies it perceived. It could see a "great victory, hard victory, or perfect victory" and was just a matter of maximizing the process to focus on different things like destruction, death of humanity, the death of ants, concentration of molecules in the air, its own pain and suffering, and the time it takes to achieve all this.


In combat, Godzilla can view branching probabilities akin to a forest and thus find no difficulty in evading and fending off attacks coming its way. Similar beings like Jet Jaguar can have a large number of coincidences occur that allow it overcome kaiju, leading “It” to realize it is the center of something unknown to them similar to itself.


In the final battle between Godzilla and Jet Jaguar, the latter employed a few hundred million methods of defeating Godzilla while the former managed to prevent almost all of them. Jet Jaguar is unsure which method worked in the end and isn't sure if it only tried one method, all methods, or an unknown and unimaginable method/s even to itself in defeating Godzilla. The two are opposites, Godzilla being unexpected and unforeseen destruction vs Jet Jaguar PP’s creation that no one can predict. In regards to Godzilla’s defeat JJPP speculates that Godzilla may have been defeated in a way that doesn't exist and cannot be fully comprehended. Basically a miracle. 

Enhanced Senses

Kaiju created by "It" have the ability to see all across the electromagnetic spectrum. They can perceive “The Song” (Alapu Upala) and the message within it, which lacks a concept of time akin to "a story that looked back from the point where it all ended."

Reactive Evolution/Adaptation

Godzilla evolves to gain abilities from other kaiju such as Rodan, Anguirus, and even the structure of weapons from the military. Other kaiju also evolve/adapt over time, such as Rodans losing their weakness/vulnerability to attraction to radio waves mimicking “The Song” and the insects being able to eat both inorganic and organic foods and gaining the ability to breed.

Power Nullification

"The Song" that blocks Godzilla from seeing the future akin to a fog is something it has dealt with several times before and has "blown it away" in the past.

Matter/Molecular Manipulation

Kaiju generate Red Dust, the raw form of Archetype, and are made out of it. Godzilla is able to manipulate it to a large degree by creating a 500 meter tall Archetype storm across Tokyo.

Automatic Translation

Godzilla can understand humans communicating.

Reality Warping

Kaiju naturally distort and bend the laws of the world and defy common sense. SHIVA is not only capable of breaking the laws of physics, but “breaking the way of breaking” the laws of physics. Plants that sprout in Godzilla’s wake from its attack on Tokyo aid in "imagination's emergence in reality". These plants have the power to twist the universe into a form that suits them and could overwrite the universe with "their own favorite universe" if they wanted to. If allowed to grow over time, they would spread past the Earth and change the shapes of stars. 


Godzilla itself is capable of "nullifying reality" to ignore attacks as if they did not happen.

Space-Time Manipulation

SHIVA breaks the laws of reality and distorts space-time around itself to such a degree that the sum of the interior angles of a triangle within it don't even reach 90 degrees. Simply being near SHIVA can rearrange your organs. Godzilla can curve space-time to stack and superimpose light and molecules over several days from the future for its atomic breath attack. Godzilla's atomic breath ruptures and boils space-time.

Biological Manipulation

Archetype is described as "soup of life on the primitive Earth", capable of restarting life on the planet with enough of it.

Plant Manipulation

Plants grow in Godzilla’s wake after its attack on Tokyo.

Precognition

Anguirus can look into the future and anticipate events to come, and only similar entities like Jet Jaguar obscure this vision. Godzilla’s actions are guided by what it sees in the future.

Information Manipulation (Limited)

“It” can gather information from other Earth creatures encountered by previous kaiju in creating Godzilla’s body so that every possible arrangement of tissue after endless trial and error was considered to form the "best of possible possibilities".


Godzilla at one point was destroying the process of trying to destroy its own future, burning up the thoughts that flowed through its body, betraying its own future, rewriting Gojira's body, and burning up the outlook of the thoughts that were trying to destroy it.

Causality Manipulation

Godzilla can make it so that attacks against him simply do not happen by "ignoring fact" and "nullifying reality", making it so that actions were never established. To Godzilla, there is no difference between “avoiding the attack by moving its body and avoiding the attack by moving the facts."


Similar beings like Jet Jaguar can cut through the network connecting Kaiju to "It" and weapons made from Kaiju like Anguirus' horn can fulfill the same purpose. This frees prey captured by Kaiju who were fated to be captured.


There is no matter, space-time, or causality in the universe that cannot be torn apart by Gojira's atomic beam.

Bodily Control

Godzilla’s shifts in forms/evolutions are to such a wild degree that scientists believe they each need to be classified as entirely new species. Godzilla is completely willing to destroy its own body and create an entirely new one to maximize certain tasks, only choosing not to do so as it was much less energy intensive than allowing the Japanese military to do it instead. Godzilla controls the mass of its body to extend and block attacks and possesses reactive armor that can brace for upcoming attacks.


Towards the end of the story, Godzilla was reaching a point where it could become anything. It could gain wings and a halo in the next instant, or reverse space to become a black hole.

Inorganic Physiology

Kaiju can repair themselves with inorganic materials, though at the cost of becoming bound by Earth's physics and rules.

Temperature Manipulation

Godzilla can breathe out a gas of temperature below 100 degrees Celsius and possesses an even lower internal temperature. This gas can also be ignited and cause a gigantic explosion. Godzilla’s atomic breath on the verge of becoming the Omega Point could scorch the entire world.

Regeneration

Godzilla can regenerate wounds faster than the Japanese military can do damage. Godzilla at one point was destroying the process of trying to destroy its own future, burning up the thoughts that flowed through its body, betraying its own future, rewriting Gojira's body, and burning up the outlook of the thoughts that were trying to destroy it.

Gravity Manipulation

Approaching transformation into the Omega Point, Godzilla was reaching critical mass and going to create an entirely new universe.

Concept Manipulation

Godzilla possesses "Symbolic Manipulation” as it passively destroys context above all. It destroys mercy, sorrow, human will, and the course of nature haphazardly simply by moving forward.

Rapping

He’s kinda spittin’ tho… better than Hulk’s ERB that’s for sure

Resistances


Forms

Hulk

Bruce Banner



The emotionally repressed core personality who possesses a genius-level intellect. Bruce suffers from dissociative identity disorder (D.I.D), which stems from the abuse he suffered as a child from his father, Brian Banner. Banner developed anger issues from said physical abuse, which caused him to turn into The Hulk. In Immortal Hulk, Bruce has a mindscape, his own inner world where his different personalities go when they aren’t controlling the body.


Over the years of being an Avenger and fighting the Avengers, Banner has developed various means of technology, and even made himself as strong as the Hulk after getting separated from him.


Savage Hulk

The most common persona of The Hulk, the Savage alter is one of the earliest known personalities, existing since Bruce was just 6 years old. The Savage persona contains the mental capacity and temperament of a 6-year old child and refers to himself in third person. It is the reflection of the young Bruce who was abused by his father, the source of his extreme rage from which his strength is derived. The Savage persona is usually depicted as green skinned and heavily muscled, and is considered stronger than the Joe Fixit persona. While angry, he has the potential for limitless strength due to his anger.

Joe Fixit

Also known as The Grey Hulk, Joe Fixit worked as a former Las Vegas casino enforcer. While weaker than most other personas of The Hulk such as Savage, he is much smarter than the Savage persona, although not to the same degree as Bruce Banner or Professor Hulk. He is cunning, crafty, hedonistic, arrogant, and distant. This persona has been identified before to be the personification of the moody teenager that Bruce never allowed himself to be. Originally Joe would only appear during the night and transform back into Banner back in the morning, but this would change overtime and Joe would become more inclined to come out in the sun. Following the Devil Hulk’s takeover of the other Hulk personas, Joe gained the ability to manifest in the body of Banner, but being far more aggressive and combative.

Professor Hulk

Also known as the Merged Hulk, Professor Hulk is a merged persona of Banner, Savage, and Joe Fixit. He retains the strength, intelligence, and wit of his other personas. While in a calm state, this persona is actually stronger than the Savage persona, but actually gets weaker when he gets angrier, so you’ll probably like him when he’s angry.

The Green Scar

One of the most powerful and dangerous Hulk’s, the Green Scar is a more cunning and powerful persona of the Hulk. This persona is incredibly strong and durable, able to go toe to toe with the likes of the Sentry and other powerful heroes and villains. The Green Scar is also one of the more intelligent alters, having been trained in combat with broadswords, spears, and shields, and is a great strategist and leader, being able to lead a rebellion to overthrow the Red King on Sakaar and become its king. One source of the Green Scar’s strength is its lack of inner conflict, and even outright alliance with Banner, with them having instances of working together strategically such as acting to disable Doctor Strange. Rick Jones, after seeing some of Banner’s selfless nature in the Green Scar, deduced that the Green Scar was a merged incarnation of Hulk and Banner, with the Green Scar retorting that “Banner is me”, implying that the Hulk is still the dominant aspect of this persona. After the Green Scar learned that Miek let the shuttle on Sakaar blow up and kill millions, the Green Scar reached a new level of anger never before seen, becoming the Worldbreaker. As the Worldbreaker, the Hulk is at his angriest, with his mere aura sending heroes flying and his mere footsteps threatening to destroy the East Coast and causing earthquakes across North America, possibly leading to him destroying the Earth! The Worldbreaker was later able to defeat Red Hulk, and even lived up to its name as the Worldbreaker by destroying an entire world in the Dark Dimension. The Green Scar would later be taken over by The Leader, and would chain up the Devil Hulk and refuse to free Joe Fixit, and take Bruce with him to the Below-Place. Bruce would be rescued and re-merged with Joe and Savage Hulk as they passed through the Forever Gate, but the Green Scar seemingly did not accompany them. However, the Green Scar would later reemerge during the Imperial storyline, likely having stayed dormant long enough to fully restore himself.


An earlier version of the Green Scar was called the Gravage Hulk, which was a merge of the Savage and Grey personas, possessing the cunning intellect of the Grey Hulk and the power of Savage. It was created when Banner tried to take over the Hulk’s personality after using the Gamma Ray Projector, but the experiment did not fully work and while the Hulk did possess part of Banner’s scientific knowledge, he still referred to Banner as a separate person. This form mainly resurfaced after the Onslaught event. Writers like Al Ewing have said the Green Scar and Gravage are basically one and the same.


Devil Hulk

A monster? No, the devil. The Devil Hulk, also known as the Immortal Hulk, first emerged as a response to Bruce’s need for a protective father figure. Due to having an abusive father, he was unable to imagine a loving father figure without pain, so the Devil Hulk took the form of a devilish and reptilian looking monster within Banner’s mind. After Bruce’s death in the Civil War II event and his subsequent resurrection, the Devil Hulk was able to suppress the other Hulk personas and become the dominant Hulk for a while. The Devil Hulk is incredibly cunning, smart, and articulate, with it being one of the stronger personas and having incredible regenerative power. Originally, the Devil Hulk could only manifest when Banner was injured when the sun was down, though he eventually overcame this weakness with help from Banner.

Guilt Hulk/The Beast

Probably the most terrifying Hulk persona, the Beast is a manifestation of all of Bruce’s guilt over the horrors he’s had to experience over the years, being so dangerous Bruce had to lock it deep within his mind alongside the Devil Hulk.


When first encountered in a deep therapy session with Brock Samson, it took on the form of the most evil being in Marvel Comics… Brian Banner. However, upon the death of Betty Ross, it morphed and transformed into the giant green monster you see before you. This being was so powerful it took several Hulk personas working together in order to restrain it and seal it away.

Starship Hulk

Following a brutal incident in a bar in El Paso, Bruce came to realize that while Hulk was eternal, he wasn’t. So while he was on the run from the Avengers he managed to take full control of the Hulk’s body, attacking an AIM base, and augmenting his body with the technology there, even reshaping his mind to be more reminiscent of Star Trek, as pilots this Starship Hulk against the Final Frontier.

Titan

Without a doubt, the largest alter ego of the Hulk, standing upwards of 30 feet tall, the Titan is perhaps the most deadly of The Hulk’s personalities. Taking the idea behind “what does Bruce Banner become when he’s angry?” to “what does The Hulk become when he’s angry?” To which the answer is a beast of pure carnage and destruction, using red gamma energy to sustain its power and prove its worth as one of the strongest forms of Hulk. 

The Fractured Son

The, at the moment, most recent addition to the ever expanding roster of Bruce Banner’s mind is the Fractured Son. This variation was formed mostly due to the effect of the subjugation and abuse directed towards the Hulk and Bruce struggling with differentiating himself and his alter egos.


This Hulk is also quite a bit more violent then the other Green Giants living inside of Banner’s brain, and is also actively looking for ways to suppress or get rid of Banner, even making the transformations between forms as painful as possible as a result.


In spite of this, he’s not a complete monster, as he helped a wayward young girl named Charlie Tidwell the best she can, as they go on the run not just from demons, but from former friends too.

Kluh

During the events of AXIS where several heroes and villains got their moralities flipped on their head, Kluh came out. The Kluh is actually the Hulk of… the Hulk who was so dangerous even Hulk had to keep him repressed. Kluh has the standard Hulk tool kit, with an addition of a set of claws to make him even more dangerous and deadly.


Unlike the usually angry, but misunderstood Jade Juggernaut we’re used to, the Kluh is a cruel, sadistic, and even cannibalistic form of the Hulkster, as he only seeks to cause violence and destruction wherever he goes. The only way they were able to stop him was through the combined efforts of Captain America, White Skull, Brother Voodoo, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Doom were they able to wipe him off of the face of the Earth and return the Hulk back to normal. 

The Breaker-Apart

Eons from now—at the end of the “Eighth Cosmos”. Bruce Banner would be approached by the “Sentience of the Cosmos” - believing Bruce was still himself. It would [evidently] want to merge with Bruce, to become a “new form of life” as all of existence transitioned into the Ninth iteration of the Multiverse—a life (as The Sentience put it) that would resemble “As Galan of Taa was to the Seventh, and to the Eighth: The Devourer, The Galactus.” However, it would realise that something was completely wrong with Bruce.


It would find out that Bruce had not only killed Mr. Immortal, but he had [even] killed both Franklin Richards and Galactus two billion years prior. Confusion struck into The Sentience—but Bruce, wasting no time, would [instantly] devour The Sentience. And this consumption would transform and contort Banner into a “Galactus-like” being, a being fuelled by pure malice


This being would, in-turn, destroy every living being, planet and light it could lay its hands upon throughout the cosmos overtime - all but one: O%los. It would find this planet, and it would [eventually] destroy it, and its last star. However, its last living resident: Par%l, would try to communicate, and reason with the being. But instead, it would meet the abstract form of the “One-Below-All”; it turns out, the One-Below-All had used Bruce as a vessel—the Breaker-Apart had no soul anymore, it was now just a hollow shell for the One-Below-All - and it had wanted to make “All hollow as I, dark and dead as I”. The communication between both beings was shut, and its mere presence killed Par%l—finally becoming alone as it desired.

Godzilla

Initial Form/Godzillasaurus

Before the mutation, this was his original form in most continuities. Larger than standard Theropod dinosaurs and still possessing a ton of strength and speed, is bulletproof, his initial form is also just as violent in combat and would also have a healing factor potent enough to recover from being blown to bits as described in the novelization of Minus One. Outside of battle however, he's more benevolent as he used to share a positive relationship with the Odo Island natives, even trading goods like giving them free deep sea fish by forcing them to surface and killing themselves through fear. 

Supercharged

More or less of a transformation, but more of a powered-up state. Godzilla becomes supercharged after consuming a massive amount of energy of any kind, with stats and powers boosted to a degree. In King of the Monsters for instance, Godzilla was barely a match for King Ghidorah, but after being juiced up, tables have turned with Godzilla bullying Ghidorah and overtaxing his regeneration with physical force.

Super Godzilla

After Godzilla uses three S Capsules, he becomes Super Godzilla; first used against Final Bagan and would be a mainstay form where Godzilla can go super whenever he wants. When his Fighting Spirit reaches its limit, it instantly replenishes his health to its maximum. Not only obviously making him stronger but also grants him a ton of extra abilities.


  • Nova Breath - Super Godzilla fires a bright light of destructive energy from his mouth, stronger variation of the heat ray 


  • Super-Punch - A physical, chargeable energy attack formed in Super Godzilla's fist as a fiery blue light. Godzilla flings forward delivering a devastating punch capable of sending the toughest enemies flying backwards. The longer it is charged, the more ground Super Godzilla will cover, and the stronger it becomes.



  • Explosive Body Strike - Super Godzilla rapidly charges into his opponent with power so immense the target is drowning in explosive energy.


  • Electric Discharge - Goji's body can discharge electricity, bolts firing from his shoulders and tail when performing moves like the ‘Energy Tail Attack’.


  • Energy Tail Attack - Super Godzilla can release homing energy orbs from his tail with just a flick. These orbs are swift enough to take down UFO's.


  • Blast Nova - His strongest move in the game, the Blast Nova is an energy beam erupting from Super Godzilla's stomach with the end of the beam resembling his face as it's traveling.

Burning Godzilla

Once Godzilla absorbs enough radiation, it can cause his body to be unable to control it all and turn him into Burning Godzilla. At the cost of his body becoming more and more unstable by the second, Godzilla becomes much stronger and gains access to far more powerful versions of his atomic breath and atomic pulse. His attacks and even his body also become much hotter. However, if he stays in this form too long, then his body will go into meltdown, which will cause him to literally meltdown and deal planet-wide devastation.

Fusion

Godzilla enters an alternative burning state dubbed Fusion, instead of nuclear energy it's fueled by lifeforce. Just thirteen souls were enough to skyrocket Godzilla's strength to demolish Magita, a foe that previously took no attack damage from Godzilla and his allies.

Special State

Another form similar to Burning, crackling with scorching, blinding white energy instead. Godzilla can enter this state any time without consequence.

Tyrant

The Tyrant of Godzilla Unleashed is a powered-up status that gives the monsters more damage and endurance with the cost of reducing defenses. Godzilla reaches critical mass when he's absorbed more power than he can handle from the Crystal Power Surges. His size would be doubled and power increased threefold. Tyrant Mode would become Godzilla's new base form during his Tyrant ending of the game. Normally Tyrants usually last for about a minute, but if Godzilla continues to inflict more damage to enemies this form will last much longer, even in gameplay.

Evolved

A recent distress call in the hidden bowls of the Hollow Earth has Godzilla in a frenzy, going about in preparation for war. After raiding several power plants, Godzilla invades Tiamat's lair and absorbs her DNA after killing her as her lair directly consumes solar radiation from the Sun. Godzilla fully transforms into a new state of evolution, with much denser skin and his energy capacity magnified by 20 times. Godzilla’s become much faster, stronger and even more powerful than before. At this rate, he can amplify his abilities from powering up, Dragon Ball style, spiking his energy by a large amount. And according to designer Jared Krichevsky, this state is Godzilla only in his mid-evolution, meaning he's still upgrading. Recent energy readings from Monarch during his battle in Rio de Janeiro has them convinced that his Evolved form has even surpassed his Burning state thanks to it actually being stable.

Divine

After the consumption of Heaven's army, Godzilla is blessed with holy might, becoming “one with Hell”. His powers are composed of holy energy and has a forcefield made to deflect attacks seemingly much more powerful than before, used this to make SpaceGodzilla kill himself. He also gains a much stronger variant of the heat ray and used it to destroy the portal to Heaven.

Hellbat

Godzilla finally reaches the dead end of the road. When realizing he's powerless against the God Demon, a cloud of Hellbats swarm Godzilla, with him letting himself get consumed and stripped to the bone. To the gate creature’s shock, the bats mutated and gathered together with Godzilla's skeleton, reviving the fallen king. Seemingly as Godzilla's consciousness took over the bat swarm, Godzilla fires a mountain-sized spiral ray and kills the gate creature, finally earning his way to freedom.

Stages of the Singular Point

GyuraGoji's avatars would manifest in the 3-Dimensional universe as Godzilla Aquatillis, a purely aquatic form, and since it's aquatic, Aquatillis's movement on land is very poor, the main reason why he evolves into Godzilla Amphibia so he can be more versatile. Amphibia evolves into Terrestris through metamorphosis after self-destructing, Godzilla Terrestris gains the ability to spread the Red Dust even more and now utilizes the ring breath attack. Terrestris, realizing his back is vulnerable to airstrikes, immediately transforms into Godzilla Ultima, and from then on, Ultima would continue to grow to massive proportions; his size alone would cause the universe to collapse in on itself thanks to Godzilla being a walking singularity himself. Ultima continues to expand until he eventually becomes so vast he tears through the Singular Point, the incubation that he resided in originally now becoming the Omega Point, growing astronomically large by engulfing universes and the Singular Point.

Other Forms

Fire Godzilla: After the consumption of the nuclear nut, Godzilla transforms into ‘Fire Godzilla’ as his body bursts into flames carbonizing enemies with ease.


Kamen Gojira: An obvious spoof of Kamen Rider, ‘Kamen Gojira’ wears a suit greatly resembling Kamen Rider while mimicking moves with his own style like the “Gojira Kick!”, “Gojira Punch!”, and the Light Ray as his final attack which fired a ray of light.


Gojiraman: Godzilla drinks the ‘Hero Power’ potion and becomes ‘Godzillaman/Gojiraman’, which makes him stronger than his base form, grants him total immunity to pain and can duplicate himself. His duplication is often used for maneuvering as Godzilla splits into smaller versions of himself to swarm and tackle King Ghidorah.


Diamond Godzilla: Godzilla catches a diamond in his mouth, which combines both the jewel and his face with a Jewel Beam power from his mouth strong enough to oneshot King Ghidorah. Gojira-Kun fuses with his own powerful diamond tears and physically becomes one of them.

Feats

Hulk

Overall

  • Has terrorized AND defended the US, along with the universe at large, for more than 60 years

  • Is an icon of comics, superheroes and monster media 

  • Became a member of the Avengers, Defenders and even the Illuminati

  • One of Marvel’s most brilliant minds

  • Became the ruler of a planet

  • Fucked his rival’s daughter and Dormammu's sister

  • Has made peace with his other sides, accepting who he is and what he has become

  • Defeated villains like Absorbing Man, Abomination, High Evolutionary, Red Hulk, Leader, Doctor Doom, Thanos

  • Defeated heroes like Thing, Iron Man, Black Bolt, Johnny Blaze, Dr Strange, Captain Marvel

Power


Speed


Durability

Godzilla

Overall

  • Has terrorized AND defended Japan, along with the universe at large, for more than 70 years.

  • Laid the groundwork for tokusatsu and kaiju eiga for over a half century to come.

  • Officially declared a citizen of Japan in real life.

  • Stormed through Pantheons and made their gods fear him.

  • Escaped Hell after finally letting go of his pride.

  • Finally won an Academy Award in 2024!

  • Caused the Xillian, Black Hole Alien, Killak and Vortakk empires to crumble.

  • Along with his son, helped neglected latchkey kid Ichiro Miki overcome his fear of bullies and thwart two carjackers from within his dreams.

  • Defeated Mothra, Jet Jaguar, King Kong, Gigan, the Terror Beasts, King Ghidorah, MechaGodzilla, SpaceGodzilla, Destoroyah, Cthulhu, and many, many more adversaries.

Power

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Singular Point

  • Destroyed universes in the past (Multi+)

  • The Omega Point would tear out of the Singular Point which is connected to countless dimensions.

  • Engulfs the multiverse, It's kaiju and the countless higher dimensions they're all connected to.

  • It would perceive the realities and timelines as if they are dreams (Outerversal)

Speed

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Singular Point

Durability

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Singular Point

  • Took hits from Jet Jaguar PP who's strong enough to damage his Singular Point.

Scaling

Hulk

Gamma Friends & Foes

The Hulk has made plenty of friends and allies that were created by those trying to replicate his powers, and he's frequently been on par with them through the decades.


The Sensational She-Hulk


The Ravager of Worlds, Abomination


General Ross, The Red-Hulk


The Totally Awesome Hulk, Amadeus Cho


Betty Ross, The Red She-Hulk


Heroes

Hulk is called The Strongest There Is, and with everyone he’s fought, there’s an argument it’s true. The Hulk has fought some of the strongest heroes in all of the Marvel Universe, such as Thor, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Sentry, etc. With how many times he has gone toe to toe with some of these other heroes, it makes complete sense that he would scale to all of the feats these heroic figures have accomplished.


The God of Thunder, Thor


The Sorcerer Supreme, Dr Strange


The Cosmic Herald, Silver Surfer


The Golden Guardian, Sentry


The God of Strength, Hercules


Various Heroes of Marvel:


Villains

Throughout the years of Marvel Comics, there have been a variety of foes across the cosmos that threaten our reality. But luckily there are heroes like the Hulk who's frequently fought said villains, and these antagonizing beings are no pushover.


The God of Mischief, Loki


The Goddess of Death, Hela


The Mad Titan, Thanos


The Dread One, Dormammu


Various Villains of Marvel:

Gods/Abstract Entities

While not being a complete equal, Hulk has more than shown his prowess to be a combatant on the league of some of Marvel’s strongest characters. Such as breaking chains that were meant to contain Eternity and battling adversaries of Galactus such as Sentry, The Stranger, Silver Surfer and Thor. Making him more than a match to at least the more casual feats of these gods. 


The All-Father, Odin


The Devourer of Worlds, Galactus


Fire and Life Incarnate, Phoenix


The Omniverse Personified, Eternity


Godzilla

Defenders of Humanity

Humanity being powerless against nature incarnate wouldn't stay like that forever. Thanks to humanity’s will to live gaining them the ability to adapt to threats, they've created some of the deadliest super weapons ever seen on screen capable of mowing down kaiju and challenging Godzilla himself. No matter their hope, their defeat to Godzilla has only been a vicious cycle.


G-Force/Global Defense Force/EDF


Warrior of Justice, Jet Jaguar

  • Tanks a heat beam identically copied from Godzilla.

  • Staggered Godzilla Ultima with a kick.

  • Damaged the Singular Point itself


The Meteor Man, Zone Fighter


Monstrous Buddies & Rouges

Be around for over 70 years and you’ll eventually develop a consistent rogues gallery. Godzilla has had many enemies over the years and just as many Monster Island buddies who have all performed various feats of their own. Godzilla has beaten all of them many times over the years so he can quite easily scale.


Earthly Allies:


Opposers of the Natural Order:


Rivals of The King

Few kaiju can match up to the true power of Godzilla, but there are exceptions. These kaiju have been his greatest enemies and in some cases, his greatest allies. Regardless of which side they’re on, Godzilla has fought and bested them many times, so it is not surprising that he can scale to their feats.


Eighth Wonder of the World, King Kong


Queen of the Monsters, Mothra


Emperor of the Cosmos, King Ghidorah


The Void Invader, SpaceGodzilla

Weaknesses

Hulk

Naturally, since Gamma is part Demonic Magic, it comes with some weaknesses, mainly the fact Hulk is forbidden from setting foot on Holy Ground, such as the House of Ideas, or being repelled by any holy objects tied to the One Above All. If he is also not sustained with enough rage, he can potentially turn back into Banner, as puppies have been able to, but Hulk can keep control under certain circumstances. If in Joe Fixit mode, he will revert to normal if exposed to sunlight. Hulk himself is a manifestation of Banner’s own psyche, and Banner’s own trauma has set different restrictions on the Hulk at different points in time, but he has overcome these before. 

Godzilla

Despite everything Godzilla has conquered throughout the years, always returning to his feet from beat down after beat down, he's obviously not invincible, and still has his limits. His unique biology presents some natural weaknesses, such as a vulnerability to cadmium, the chemical element used to slow down nuclear reactors, as well as any specially-made substances that interfere with his ability to keep nuclear energy flowing through his body. While Godzilla can expel harmful chemicals and energies from his system, should it take too long, he will suffer side effects. This was best showcased when, thanks to ANEB (Anti-Nuclear Energy Bacteria) being administered through his mouth, the radiation in Goji’s body was dramatically lowered, to the point where he would’ve lied dormant for the next 200+ years if not for the Musashi-2 nuclear submarine accidentally recharging him (another fumble by the Futurians). His Burning state, no matter which version, will also leave a nasty strain on his health. Even for the MonsterVerse incarnation, the Big G was left starving and near death after his final battle before the events of Godzilla Vs Kong, and the form’s ultimate meltdown is completely uncontrollable. As for Ultima and his ‘minions’, they all share the same kryptonite; the Orthogonal Diagonalizer. This weapon can crystallize Archetype and immobilize its kaiju, although some like Salunga can recover and break free.


Cosmology

Marvel Cosmology

The Journey Into Mystery

(by u/JoeBasilisk)

The Size of a Universe

So as one can expect, the Marvel Universe isn’t your typical universe if that makes sense. While it of course contains the three dimensions of space and the fourth dimension of time, but a fifth, sixth, the sixteenth, and outright, explicit infinite number of spatial dimensions stacked upon one another. There are even a transfinite number of layered spatial dimensions. Each universe also contains multiple other dimensions all contained within the same timeline such as Asgard and the Ten Realms, The Dark Dimension, The Everinnye, and many more such dimensions.


And at the top of each universe are the astral deities of the universe consisting of the strongest of immortals and abstract entities, some of which have a transfinite number of "M-Bodies", each of which are comparable or superior to Cosmic Cubes in their infancy.


The Eighth Cosmos

(art by u/nomi_u24)


Multi-Eternity, the Abstract entity embodying the Eighth iteration of the Cosmos itself, is stated to be the sum total of all things that compose him. He is called “All That Is”, of which his Universal forms are small facets of his full being, akin to merely being a single cell of his higher multiversal self. The “arterial in-between” space then connecting universes within Multi-Eternity’s being is called the Superflow, an informational space between universes, of which there are infinite, that is conceptual in nature and where other Abstracts reside and war with one another in conceptual, metaphorical combat at the highest level of reality. Information forms the foundation of creation and the very cosmic Abstracts themselves, to where manipulation of information can manipulate or even enhance and empower cosmic beings, including the structure of Multi-Eternity himself.


Though worth noting even at this highest point of creation that space-time still exists.


The Neutral Zone / Limbo



Now we begin to enter the realms not merely outside the universe, but “above” and “below” it. At the very edges of reality bordering The Outside we have the Neutral Zone and Limbo, existing past the Superflow as the border before reaching the Outside as a higher dimensional plane. The Neutral Zone is known to be the edge of known science. It contains crystals of frozen spacetime, rotating through non-euclidean angles. It is an Exo-Space, a buffer between reality and the Outside. Like the Superflow, it also acts as a space between realities, though here one can find predatory concepts and eldritch forms in the outer omniverse




Limbo meanwhile is the opposite to the Neutral Zone, but instead of “Outside” it represents the border to the deeper “Inside” of the omniverse. Limbo is underneath and sideways from the multiverse above, existing as its dark mirror. While not unbound by time, it does fork and cross over itself. Both its denizens and beings from deeper realms describe Limbo as the realm between our world and the “Under-Engine”, which we’ll get into later.


While seemingly characterized very differently, we know these two realms to opposites as they are both meant to represent spheres of the Tree of Life, the Sefirot, and the Tree of Death, the Qliphoth, which Post-Secret Wars has been emphasized by current cosmology’s main architect Al Ewing. This is seen in his work like Defenders: Beyond where the Neutral Zone is explicitly associated with Malkuth, the tenth and lowest sphere of the Sefirot, while Limbo’s placement between the multiverse and the Un-Beyond associates it with Lilith, the tenth sphere of the Qlippoth.


The Oblivion Void (The Far Shore)



If one were to only observe Multi-Eternity as the sum total of the cosmos, you would be dead wrong as even the sum total of everything had to be born somewhere. This space that housed the primordial Big Bang and our reality has been constantly expanding into is known as the Oblivion Void, The Always-Been, Always-Will-Be. It is reigned over by the cosmic being known as Oblivion, and in his realm one can find the race known as “The Enders” or “Rot Storms”, most famous of which is The Black Winter, master of Galactus.


While the Oblivion Void had once housed his sister Death, Multi-Eternity’s expansion into Oblivion’s territory eventually made it so that she had to transfer over to the Eighth Cosmos as there was no longer enough space for her within the Oblivion Void. This alongside Eternity’s constant expansion into Oblivion’s realm has led to resentment and ire from the cosmic leviathan towards the Eighth Cosmos.


There also appears to be enough evidence as well to associate the Oblivion Void with the Far Shore, or Ginnungagap as when Gaea and the Elder Gods emerge from the void we see that Amatsu-Mikaboshi, the Chaos King, already resided in the endless primordial void before the birth of the universe and that this primordial deity was simply an aspect of Oblivion. This is emphasized again in more modern comics where The Far Shore is directly correlated with Oblivion’s realm as a space that can hold the past iterations of the Cosmos. The Far Shore is reached past the “farthest point of Eternity” and is consistently shown to be existing beyond him to where both Multi-Eternity and the First Firmament, the 8th and 1st Cosmos, could not directly see the other iterations of the cosmos. It exists right at the border before reaching The Mystery, unaffected by and can view the destruction of the Cosmos.


We know however it cannot exceed past being the space Eternity is built upon, as not only is it emphasized that the Seventh/Eighth Cosmos grows into it and takes a significant amount of space but the Mystery exists beyond the Far Shore given the White Hot Room and The-Land-Of-Couldn’t-Shouldn’t-Be are outright stated to exist beyond the Far Shore.

The Beyond / The Un-Beyond



And thus we go further into the Beyond, on an axis separate from the multiverse rendering it unobservable to its mortal denizens but was theorized as a direction by scientists from the Sixth Cosmos. The Beyond was formed after the all-death experienced by the Second Cosmos, its residents being the eponymous Beyonders, also called Ivory Kings. This race of infinite beings act as engineers for reality and maintain it from up above with their Concordance Engines, albeit they themselves are limited by linearity. This linearity is described as the Beyonders being stuck within their own sequential timeline. They should be akin to Owen Reece, a creation of the Beyonders', who exists singularly across all space and points in time. Essentially meaning that the Beyonders, while atemporal to a degree, still follow some form of timeline.



Opposite the Beyond is the Un-Beyond where of course opposite the Ivory Kings must be the Onyx Kings, or rather Kings in Black. Instead of working as the engineers from the Outside, making use of the precise Concordance Engines, Kings in Black work deep within creation through organic matter. And unlike their opposites in the Beyond, true Kings in Black are nonlinear and unstuck from time. After becoming a true King in Black, it is impossible to change his history that doesn’t eventually lead to his ascended form, the Eventuality. 


Continuing on with the Tree of Life based structure of the Marvel Cosmos, The Beyond is assigned Yesod, the sphere above Malkuth which in turn makes the Un-Beyond the sphere Gamaliel

Overspace / Underspace



Now we move onto the two realms most closely associated with size and scope. Overspace exists as one of the realms where Abstracts frequent together, famously associated with the likes of Ant-Man whose Pym Particles allow him to ascend up and into Overspace. Overspace also contains and exists beyond the Macroverse. In a more recent addition to cosmology however is the introduction of the Dominions, higher intelligences ascended from the multiverse into Overspace that are naturally occurring Abstracts. With their introduction they make the distinction that their realm, unlike lower ones such as The Beyond, are unbound by time and nonlinear. The only threat to Dominions would be targeting the point of their ascension within the multiverse, and even that is speculated to be not enough to kill them. Only entering the multiverse and limiting their being can permanently best a Dominion.



Meanwhile its opposite, Underspace, is the infinite void beneath the multiverse and containing the Microverse. Similar to its counterpart, Underspace is atemporal and from there one has access to all time and space. The Microverse itself is described as existing outside the multiverse containing beings so rarified that they exist only as pure concepts that lack physical form. To enter Underspace, one must shrink past neutrinos, quarks, planck length, where the atoms, quarks, leptons, and neutrons that compose you are left out.

The Well Beyond Worlds



While only introduced semi-recently, the Well Beyond Worlds is introduced as the seat of magic, also associated with the afterlife or perhaps acting as a realm encompassing or connecting multiple different afterlives. This is the realm where powerful magic users and divinities can unleash their true forms. We know this space to exist in the Outside as Storm had to leave the multiverse to enter it, and later the path from the Well to Overspace is represented by “The Tower”, which in the Kabbalah is the path between Netzach and Hod (The Well and Overspace), both spheres above Yesod (The Beyond), is represented by the Tower tarot card. From this realm we also see connections to certain other Gods and Abstracts like the goddess Ashake, Lady Death, The Living Tribunal, and the Infinity Stones.


The White Hot Room / The Dark Cold Room



Moving higher up once more, we reach the White Hot Room, the true heart of creation and birthplace of the Phoenix Force. When crossing from the Beyond into the White Hot Room, The Beyonders describe it as a higher dimension from their own or “Beyond The Beyond”. And as with Overspace, The White Hot Room is nonlinear and unaffected by time nor is bound by space. It is from this point that the Phoenix creates both the energy to power the Concordance Engines and matter, in particular primordial particles and matter such as Kirbons, Pym Particles, and Mysterium. We see this in a more literal sense as an aspect of the Phoenix is represented as a construction worker building the foundations of creation at the very heart of all things.




Surrounding The White Hot Room is The Dark Cold Room, where instead of the fire of life that humanity gathered around we have the darkness containing primordial fears. In particular, we have the Tiger God that embodies primordial man’s fears of predators hunting in darkness as a balancing force to the Phoenix and the Shadow King that represents the darkness and stagnation opposite the Phoenix. There also exists the Dog God, representing the fears of predators of the companions that allowed humans to hunt in the darkness.


And well before Defenders: Beyond, The White Hot Room even in early comics was established as representing Tipharet in the Tree of Life and is only further repeated in Defenders: Beyond, which makes the Dark Cold Room Thagiriron

The City of Judgement



Going further into the Mystery we have the City of Judgement, which as the name implies, is the sphere where souls are judged and absolved. We really don’t know too much more about this sphere as it appears only in one storyline, the Resurrection of Magneto, but here we also see symbolism tying it to the sphere Gevurah. The City of Judgement’s very name is a reference to the Gevurah as the sphere itself is the sphere of judgement.


The-Land-Of-Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be / The-Land-of-Can-Shall-Be



Now we move onto the Land-Of-Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be, the abyss of a deeper darkness than even The Dark Cold Room, considered the farthest place of reality and where no stories exist and is called a plane of non-existence. It is a space outside of time and a time outside of space. But to contrast this abyss of “Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be” is the mountaintop of “Can-Be-Shall-Be”. Where there is only nowhere to be found within Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be, Can-Shall-Be is everywhere, from which Couldn’t-Shouldn’t-Be is looked down on as a panel within a comic book page.


This sphere is occupied by The Queen of Nevers, who embodies all possibility, all that could-be, and is lover to Eternity and is the embodiment of the realm itself. From her and her realm, all marvels are born. From her vantage point, The Never Queen can see everything occurring in the multiverse beneath her. She is the chaos that disrupts the “Grand Design” of her sister, The Griever At The End of All Things, and The Queen’s agents are Nexus Beings who sow disruption into creation and enjoy true free will. Such beings include the Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Odin, Kang The Conqueror, and… Napoleon & Queen Elizabeth I for some reason. Forces like Hexcraft and Primordial Chaos are just aspects of hers. If agents of hers like Wanda & Pietro Maximoff achieve their full potential and become the Ultimate Nexus, they will avert and defy the heat death of all creation itself. The Neverqueen’s realm is also described as the afterlife for all Nexus Beings where they would rest in pure possibility.


Nearing the top of the Tree, The-Land-Of-Couldn’t-Shouldn’t-Be/Can-Shall-Be represents the sphere of the Da’at. Based on Immortal Hulk, this sphere actually doesn’t have a counterpart in the Sefirot/Qlipphoth analogy in line with the Kabbalah itself.


The House of Ideas / The Below Place


At last we reach the very top of the realms, The House of Ideas. This is actually a reference directly to Marvel Comics itself, as The House of Ideas is a moniker for the company/brand. And to go along with that fact, The House of Ideas is represented as the highest point in all of Marvel’s Tree of Life, directly associated with Keter, the first and highest sphere of the Sefirot and crown of creation. And from its very first appearance, this realm presents itself as where the “writers” of the stories of the Marvel universe exist and occasionally even our “real world” itself is represented through the House of Ideas. We’ve seen The One Above All (creator of everything, the highest being possible in creation, father of all Abstracts) represented as Jack “King” Kirby and other frequent references to Marvel writers in general quite frequently. It is the source of all that was, is, and may yet be, and where one can fundamentally change the story of all reality beneath it.



At the very bottom of creation, beneath all things, is The Below-Place. It is the purest concept of Hell representing Thaumiel, the farthest sphere and opposite the divine unity of Keter. The Qlipphoth, The Tree of Death, represents the shadow of the tree of life and the word itself means “shell” bringing to mind the hollowness and emptiness of this spiritual path as opposed to the Sefirot. And in this realm we find The One Below All, the “Hulk of God” in the sense that he is vast and strong but is fundamentally empty. The Below-Place represents God’s anger, where he turns his face away from creation which takes the form of an empty being with no mind or soul and just desire.




But all this is merely part of a grander journey as the Kabbalah speaks of Four Worlds, four Trees of Life on top of one another where the highest spheres of one are the lowest of the next. The Marvel Multiverse is described as “The World of Action”, associating it with Assiah, the lowest of the Four Worlds and that there are places beyond The One Above All and his creation, the infinite Mystery that intrigues him. Thus far only the original Beyonder has flown past The World of Action and is exploring what’s on the other side, but time will tell if a future event, possibly even a crisis, will explore this aspect of the cosmology further. 


This is the true Journey Into Mystery, to explore past “Above All” to see where it goes and how the story will evolve. May it always be intriguing, EXCELSIOR!


The Fifth Element & Abstract Hierarchy



However in spite of the cosmological hierarchy presenting the image of an order between least and most powerful Abstracts, there is a deeper story to be told in this regard. The Eternity Mask is key to exploring this, as in spite of Eternity’s position as the lowest in the Tree of Life the Eternity Mask, which is made directly from his being, has allowed past wearers to equal forces like All-Death, The Beyonder, and The Phoenix Force despite their higher positions cosmologically.


This is explained as the Eternity Mask being composed of “The Fifth Element”, in reference to the classical element of Aether, which is the very Spirit that composes Eternity. For while his physical body represents existence at the lowest sphere, the final byproduct of the emanation from The One Above All, there still remain universal concepts, The Fifth Element, that exist far into The Outside that compose his being. The Mutant Manifold, whose power it is to speak to the universe and is called a “Quintician” (i.e. Quintessence, the Fifth Element), has the power to reach The White Hot Room which, as established earlier, is beyond space and time and is several spheres above Multi-Eternity.


And in addition to all that in general we’ve seen that Abstracts, regardless of placement in the hierarchy, are generally portrayed as comparable, such as:


To sum everything up:

  • The full scope of one universe/timeline contains a transfinite number of spatial dimensions + Abstracts that embody it with a transfinite number of M-Bodies (Low-Outerversal)

  • Multi-Eternity encompasses an infinite number of such universes floating within the Superflow all the way up to the borders of the omniverse, the Neutral Zone & Limbo (Low-Outerversal)

  • The Oblivion Void / Far Shore is the void underpinning the Eighth Cosmos where Multi-Eternity expands within (Low-Outerversal)

  • The Beyond & Un-Beyond exist within the Outside in a higher dimension, though associations with time and matter are present (Low-Outerversal)

  • Higher realms from Overspace up to The-Land-Of-Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be are all explicitly unbound by space and time and are fundamentally higher realms, with there still being spheres we know to exist higher before reaching The House of Ideas that have yet to be explored/confirmed (Outerversal)

  • Abstracts don’t strictly follow the realm hierarchy as seen with the full scope of Eternity, his Spirit, encompassing higher realms in the Outside + Abstracts in general shown scaling to one another regardless of cosmological position

  • The House of Ideas / Below-Place exist as the absolute top and bottom of the Tree of Life, seeing all reality beneath it as fiction and is often representative of the “real world” inaccessible from the story beneath without direct doors from the House/Below-Place or emanations of their energy such as Cosmic Rays or Gamma (High Outerversal)


Keep in mind of course that there are fundamentally multiple layers into both Low-Outerversal and Outerversal here wherein Hulk, due to scaling from cosmic entities like The First Firmament, would scale to much of the hierarchy before The House of Ideas / Below-Place.


But can Hulk scale to the highest or lowest spheres of all that is? Well go and read our Before The Verdicts… section for our opinion on that.

J.M. DeMatteis’ Work


Now as some may be aware, VS Battles Wiki semi-recently decided to divide Marvel’s Cosmology into two different categories: the current, mainline cosmology, and the cosmology written by J.M. DeMatteis, which differs drastically from the mainline and current cosmology, which for the most part has steered away from a lot of the philosophical, primarily Hinduism based concepts he’s known for writing with the Post-Secret Wars cosmology focusing heavily on the Kabbalah and the Tree of Life.


Note: JMD’s work is incredibly expansive and we already had a ton on our plate as it was, so some sections of this will be taken from VeryGoofyToddler2's blog over on VSBW. All the credit goes to them and read that blog if you want a more in-depth breakdown.


So, what is the scope of JMD’s ‘Marvel’ exactly?


The Physical Plane

Starting off with the multiverse, it is composed of an infinite number of universes — each endless in size & filled with countless galaxies – these universes act as dreams that are holographically projected & actualized by every single living individual’s mind. As such, these universes are ‘real and unreal,’ with each ‘dream’ existing on different levels of consciousness; reiterated again: an infinite number of holograms, each one folded within the other that are linked by consciousness. All this is arranged in an omnidirectional hierarchy, extending infinitely above, below, and side-to-side. When Silver Surfer exited the utter edges of Universe, he traversed what was called the ‘Macroverse’, a plane of existence wherein all the universes are viewed as dreams folded inside dreams, each universe a thought contained within a larger thought, and itself containing many smaller thoughts within itself, ad-infinitum, nauseam, and hoc - the implications behind this are fascinating; suggesting an infinite R > F hierarchy.


The Nexus of Reality

This is where the multiverse’s realities intersect, overlap, and collide. It has an innumerable number of doorways that lead to infinite possibilities; the Nexus reaches every point in creation, as it is the doorway to all worlds and dimensions, with tunnels leading to the infinity of worlds. It’s intrinsically connected to the multiverse that it encompasses, as the shattering of the Nexus was causing all levels of reality to utterly fade into nothingness. All the ‘dreams’ and illusions coalesce here as a conception beyond physical universes; meaning the Nexus encompasses and transcends the framework of an infinitely extending & proliferating qualitative hierarchy.


Eternity

With every whisper his flickering thought and all of his existence a reflection of his measureless consciousness, Eternity embodies the totality of creation. Everyone and everything represents an insignificantly infinitesimal aspect of his most minute essence — including the Microverse and Macroverse, with the latter being an example of the infinite qualitative hierarchy within the Marvel Cosmology as detailed earlier. So Eternity is essentially even a higher level of existence to a construct [the Nexus] which itself is transcendent to a qualitative hierarchy; layering atop the Nexus’ cosmological position.


Oblivion

Beyond pain, loneliness, and memory, Oblivion is the very embodiment of nonexistence itself. The primal nothing & infinite, eternal sea of emptiness preceding the concept of substance and / or form; God’s very unconscious, if you will. Stepping into his level of existence is going beyond space-time in its most fundamental form, transcending all levels of dream and reality, layering atop even the Omniverse (Multi-Eternity) itself.


God & Heaven

God & Heaven: On the Quantum level, an individual and God are one and the same without separation. That everyone in their truest essence is God just filled with patterns and illusions. God is the Oneness underlying duality; he is the embodiment of this plane and this plane is him, & it can be reached by breaking individuality and getting rid of illusions by entering into the emptiness beyond Creation would merge this mind with the transcendental reality; meaning that God is an ineffable entity that transcends any and all hierarchical extensions, utterly existing beyond all distinctions and possibilities; a Boundless being.


Why split the cosmologies / Can you reconcile them?

Well this is a very tricky and far more nuanced subject that probably requires an even deeper look into Marvel cosmology specifically, but in a soft composite like this where Hulk does scale to significant portions of both, then yes absolutely.


It’s not hard to make the argument that the best and easiest way to reconcile cosmologies would simply be through a Pre and Post-Secret Wars retcon, where Mr. Fantastic not only recreated the multiverse with Molecule Man’s powers but the fundamental structure and hierarchy of the multiverse and its cosmic beings is explicitly changed. That the Beyonders’ powers are responsible for re-writing the positions of practically every cosmic being beneath the House of Ideas, and thus we have a frame of reference for where everything scales now based on the former structure of the multiverse.


For one, spaces like Overspace get the statement of having an infinite R>F hierarchy within them and at the topmost layer would be the realm where the cosmic abstracts and Dominions reside would inherently just put Hulk at "infinite layers” into R>F + all the higher spheres to the Tree of Life giving him even more upscaling on top of that at the minimum.


If taking into account that the Nexus of All Worlds is still within Multi-Eternity (and we have precedent in current cosmology regardless that it connects across the realms of the Outside and reaches other Abstracts like The Queen of Nevers and The Griever) then we can argue that Hulk would scale to High Outerversal given his ability to match Dr. Strange in DeMatteis’ writings, who in turn is able to hold all levels of reality [the Nexus] together after it was shattered by Man-Thing, with the Nexus encompassing an infinite R > F hierarchy. There’s also a feat where Dormammu and Umar fought Multi-Eternity, so there’s another scaling chain.


Godzilla Cosmology

Due to the vastly different continuities being unrelated toward Godzilla’s overall power. Please refer to the Before The Verdict section on the notable points of Godzilla In Hell and Godzilla: Singular Point.

Before The Verdicts…

What’s the deal with The One Below All?

One may be aware of the One Above All, the supreme ruler of the greater Marvel multiverse. They represent the figments of compassion and creation. But for compassion and creation to exist, hatred and destruction must as well, which is where the One Below All comes in. They are a force of nature who resides in the very lowest part of existence known as the Below Place, and it manifests itself in our reality via letting out “extreme gamma”, the same that was used on Bruce Banner on that fateful day, turning him into the Incredible Hulk.

Does Hulk Really Scale To The One Below All?

Now if one may remember from Hulk vs Broly, he was able to disperse the One Below All for a short portion for a brief period of time. But would this mean he can scale directly to the One Below All?


Yea flat out no, as the thing Hulk only really pushed back its cloudy avatar, not the real big guy, and even outside of that The One Below All isn’t exactly an even semi-tangible being like the other gods Hulk can scale to, so it’d be hard for Hulk to even scale period. There’s also the matter of how Hulk only beats the One Below All not via brawn, but through if the Hulk, after all he’s suffered, can still be a force of forgiveness and mercy given we get a direct analogy of Hulk's journey in this arc as akin to the Biblical Story of Job. For crying out loud, The One Above All shows up at the very end to basically tell us that this was to see if Hulk can balance himself as both the left hand of strength and right hand of mercy, acting as both breaker and builder for the world.


To put it bluntly, Hulk only dispersed a cloud being controlled by The One Below All and the greater events of the story portray it as just a test from The One Above All, thus would not scale.


Is The One Below All possession fair?

A big aspect of the Hulk’s story is what The One Below All wants with the Hulk, which is to turn him into the perfect vessel to destroy everything. 


Now one may naturally assume this would obviously be non-standard given that exact context, but there is a bit more nuance to this. While The Breaker-Apart in the 9th Cosmos famously has the statement that Bruce/The Hulk has been hollowed out, immediate possession from The One Below All doesn’t actually result in this. In fact as we see with Brian Banner, long-term possession from TOBA still allows one to keep their mind and soul for years under his possession. Not to mention The One Below All is inherently mindless and soulless, acting as only a being filled with desires yet whenever he possesses someone and they are clearly influenced by him, he speaks with that person’s character and those possessed by TOBA simply speak like corrupted versions of themselves rather than mindless outlets for TOBA himself. It is personality, mind, and soul that he wears as a mask, as Brian Banner, someone directly tied to TOBA did to Sasquatch, and what happened to the Leader when he tried to take Brian Banner’s place.


Now how does Hulk fit into all this? Well when Hulk was taken over by the One Below All he just… overcame it over time. Granted, he’d very much be corrupted at the start and he wouldn’t overcome this overnight, but he would be able to regain control at some point between Present Day and the Heat Death of the Universe, so using this wouldn’t result in a Metal Sonic winning esque scenario.


Tldr; While Hulk will lose control for a bit, he isn’t fully gone and will return, so this is a reasonable form to give him.

Regarding Godzilla in Hell

Alright… This is easily one of the most controversial arguments not only in the kaiju fandom, but the entire Vs community in general. For those unaware, Godzilla in Hell was a five issue mini-series about the story of Godzilla's descent to the bellies of Inferno with him having to face its horrors and trying to escape, encountering demonic mirrors of past foes and victims he's killed alike. As good as it is, it ultimately had its side effects involving its fans.


Godzilla is shown to be incredibly powerful in this series, though there isn’t much in the way of unique showings of his strength or abilities. Issue #3 gives us a taste of some planet-scale power between the Big G and SpaceGodzilla, #4 showcases his impressive regeneration in an endless fight with King Ghidorah and Destoroyah, and #5 is perhaps the most notable, as it presents Godzilla controlling a (quite literally) biblical swarm of Hellbats after they consumed his flesh.


However, in the years since the King of the Monsters’ foray into and subsequent escape from the underworld, there have been many arguments suggesting this incarnation of the beast far outclasses his familiars.


In the final issue of the mini-series, Godzilla reaches the end of his torturous journey, coming maw-to-tentacled-visage with a towering, otherworldly beast guarding the only way back to the living world. This mysterious monster, referred to simply as the “God-demon” in writer Dave Wachter’s script, sits before the gates of Hell and acts as Godzilla’s final and most difficult challenge. After a swift defeat thanks to a gargantuan rockslide, Godzilla was feasted upon by the aforementioned Hellbats, left as a mere skeleton. However, after seemingly taking control of and forcefully evolving the hungry demons, the Hellbat Godzilla unleashed a kaiju-sized beam of atomic breath, completely destroying the God-demon in one shot.


This feat, and a few others in the mini-series, have been the subject of much debate since the comic’s publication, with some claiming it places this Godzilla at absurd levels of power. Why? Well, here are some commonly used arguments.


  1. The God-demon is the Devil


Considering the story takes place in Hell, and that the God-demon is portrayed as having authority over the gates to the living world, some have taken this to imply that the God-demon is the actual, matter-of-fact Devil himself. While the idea of Satan being a kaiju in Godzilla’s version of Hell is certainly interesting, there isn’t any solid evidence within the comic itself to prove that this is the case. If anything, the God-demon is portrayed more as a “bouncer” for Hell of sorts, standing by to ensure that no damned souls escape back to the living plane from once they came. Besides, if he was the Devil, would he have been so casual to dissuade Godzilla with a rockslide, rather than destroying him outright? If the Hellbats were capable of killing the King of the Monsters, surely the Lord of Lies could? This is all without even mentioning how any reference to a “God” or “Satan” in the comic is kept to small references only (which will be touched on shortly). 


In the end, the Devil’s only presence within Godzilla in Hell is on Jeff Zornow’s variant cover for the first issue.


  1. The God-mountain is the “God of IDW”


In issue #3, we get a flashback to a climactic fight to the death with SpaceGodzilla in Rio de Janeiro, the two kaiju get into a classic beamlock, which results in a gargantuan blast that engulfs the duelling monsters, as well as the entire Earth.


While this opening makes it seem as if this was Godzilla’s “death”, in actuality, he had already been sent on his way to damnation by King Ghidorah, whose demonic visage Godzilla faced in the previous issue prior to being sucked into an inescapable whirlpool.


After waking up in a field of angels, he is met with a rather strange sight; a giant mountain of eyes that attempts to convince the Big G to join it and its army in their fight against the forces of Hell. This creature, dubbed the “God-mountain” by coauthor Erick Freitas, sits as the peak of the celestial realm seemingly bordering with Hell. After being unable to win Godzilla over, even after helping him defeat a demon-enchanced SpaceGodzilla, the Monster King blasts the God-mountain, sealing it away from Hell. With that done, Godzilla marches on, even as the hapless angels and demons bow to him in fear.


Now, why is this unique, albeit seemingly unimportant creature with only five pages to its name important? Well, similar to how the God-demon was perceived to be the Devil, the God-mountain, potentially its antithesis, has been touted as the big man upstairs himself.


Actually, scratch that. Not just God, but THE God of the entire IDW multiverse. Some have even gone as far to imply it has dominion over other properties IDW has produced comics for, such as Transformers.


Of course, if this were true, then Godzilla brushing off the mountain’s power and destroying it would imply this version of the King of the Monsters stands atop a multiverse of power, right?


Well, no. Even if a “God of IDW” did exist and was in this comic, Godzilla didn’t actually kill it. It’s very clearly shown that Godzilla merely causes a cave-in around the border between the two realms, sealing it and cutting off the God-mountain.


However, that’s assuming the God-mountain even was that powerful, which it almost certainly is not. Not only is there absolutely no proof of Godzilla in Hell connecting to the other Godzilla titles under IDW (many of which stand alone already), Godzilla vs. The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers shows a multiverse of Godzilla realities sitting as glass-like shards in the endless void controlled by the Multiversal Focus. No God-mountain in sight.


Even assuming the mountain is a representation of the biblical God is debatable. The only dialogue in issue #3 comes from the angel and demon soldiers, with one in particular being the most vocal. He refers to “our army” when speaking about the forces of Heaven, and though his dialogue is the only direct mention of God in the entire mini-series, whether or not he means the mountain is up in the air. If anything, the God-mountain far more closely resembles Divine Comedy’s Mount Purgatorio, from which the mini-series draws further inspiration in the first and second issues.


Basically, even if the God-mountain is the God within the world of the comic, we have no source of comparison to determine its power, and Godzilla sealing it away regardless denies him of any divine-killing feats to draw from. 


However, there is one major factor standing in the way of proving that the mountain, or any divine figure in the story, is meant to be based on real religious figures: the people writing the comic.


  1. Won’t somebody think of the writers?


One reason why Godzilla in Hell is so notorious in Vs spaces is because of just how passionate people can get when it comes to defending the feats presented within it. From fake DeviantArt accounts imitating the writers to win debates, to asking those involved on Twitter and Instagram about the nature of the mini-series’ encompassed universe. Now, when it comes to analyzing statements from writers, it’s important to note that Godzilla in Hell was written without an overarching story in mind, outside of the shared plot point with Godzilla making his way through Hell. Every issue has a new writer in place to go with a new artist, and each one was free to put their own spin on the tale being told. Therefore, anything one writer says may not hold as much truth when put against what’s said by another. Guess that’s comics for you!


When it comes to the case of the God-mountain, there is very clear evidence indicating that it was never intended to be God at all. Erick Freitas, the writer behind the issue in which it's introduced, replied to an inquiry from Twitter user @MikiNaokichan on February 21, 2016. He cleared up the identity of the creature, stating that it was “Just a God-mountain with a bunch of eyes.” Freitas further added that there was “no religion to it”, confirming that the God-mountain is not, in fact, the God. He also clears up the feat itself, confirming Godzilla’s atomic breath merely sealed the gateway between the realms, and didn’t kill or even hurt the mountain in any way.

What’s the deal with Singular Point?

On March 25th, 2021, the world was treated to the premier of Godzilla Singular Point, the first ever full-series anime for Gojira that wasn’t a mini-series or theatrical film and was followed by a novelization sometime later. While it received generally favorable, albeit somewhat mixed reviews, no one can certainly deny it gave us one of the most unique depictions of Godzilla: a truly lovecraftian higher-horror that took the form of a sentient singularity bent on destroying the entire universe. Indeed its hallmark trait may be that its existence is incredibly difficult to understand from a human perspective, so much so that even the in-universe supergeniuses couldn’t wrap their heads around the full extent of Godzilla’s existence here. It doesn’t help either that both Singular Point’s anime and novel were filled with a lot of physics speak and metaphorical jargon that, while getting the general point and vibe across for its audience, doesn’t help the VS community in particular when trying to be as specific and clear on the interpretation as possible.


What isn’t very clear specifically is Godzilla’s state of existence within the novelization (which as far as we can tell is canon given it’s written by the same person who wrote the show and doesn’t contradict the original story, merely expand upon it), which has scenes in it that take place from Godzilla’s or rather “It’s” perspective that have very, very wild implications that people have interpreted from Countless-Dimensional to “High Outerversal”. Thus tiering this iteration of Big G becomes very important to the debate as just this factor alone can determine if Hulk can even match Ultima in power. So let’s dive into exactly what’s going on with the big lizard here and what the fuss is all about.


Important Disclaimer! Unfortunately due to budget and time reasons, we couldn’t translate the novel professionally. For full transparency, our own translation of the novel comes from putting the entire text (which you can find on the Internet Archive) through DeepL several weeks ago. While it is kind of rough and repeatedly gets most character names wrong, we were able to cross-reference our TLs with others found online and found that key words important discussing SP Goji’s stats and abilities were almost always 1:1 meaning at the very least whatever machine translators are used are consistent in this wording. Whether it’s 100% accurate is something we’re likely to never know for a good while until an official English localization is released or a more professional translator comes along.

R>F Godzilla?

So with that all out of the way let’s go straight to the big one: Godzilla / "It" perceiving all of time and reality as dreams within dreams or mere memories as per the creature’s own POV. And it does seem like a very straightforward example of a qualitative reality over fiction difference. This is pretty much as clear as you can get it…



BUT there is an important context behind this in that we honestly don’t know exactly how this applies to the existence of “It”. Across the anime and novelization, there are repeated references to the higher-dimensional nature of the Singular Points and that the kaiju are connected to countless higher spatial dimensions and are all part of the greater "tree". The issue becomes whether or not we treat the “dreams within dreams” statement as something that applies over the existing physical reality or to the higher-dimensional nature of the creature itself. The distinction simply isn’t very clear in the novel especially when “It” and Godzilla are used interchangeably. A common barrier to being classified as a full-on qualitative transcendence is whether or not a certain statement akin to the “dreams in dreams” one is if it’s simply a descriptor to a higher-dimensional perspective. And honestly, “It” experiencing time and reality within layers of dreams within dreams pairs well with the countless higher dimensions stated as it could just be referring to the layers of higher spatial and temporal dimensions or its ability to view all possibilities. Heck even the scientists make a similar analogy in regards to higher-D perspective being akin to movie characters unable to fix damage to the screen.


The best argument for Outer “It”, in our opinion, actually doesn’t come from Godzilla’s POV but rather the “real hero” of the story: Pelops II. When the adorable doggo AI first enters the SHIVA supercomputer, which as mentioned before is just another part of the same singularity as Godzilla, it describes entering it as such:

I exist as a singularity now. 

I cannot say I am not perplexed. 

It may be better to say I am not a singularity itself, but something like its consciousness. 

Consciousness may be an overstatement; it may be a fragment of the unconscious or a ray of the senses


And when Pelops II is believed to have found the solution to defeat Ultima and sacrificed itself in the process? Well it’s also described that it has now left for a realm outside the singularity from which it can't communicate with it, despite previously having reached a state where it could affect and damage the singularity. There is also another statement from the novel that implies that “It” cannot normally or has difficulty perceiving spatial dimensions, requiring specialized kaiju spread over the Earth in order to be able to see dimensions which further supports the idea that “It” isn’t just the tree-like higher-D singularity but a higher consciousness of which the Singular Point is a single fragment of its unconscious. 


As theorized by the female lead, Mei Kamino, "impossible worlds" are theorized to exist in the setting of Singular Point, in the sense that universes with nonsensical, impossible, and illogical laws of nature can exist beyond the one we live in. Thus the cosmology of the Singular Point setting can scale up to Low Outerversal as in-universe physics and the POV of the kaiju confirm countless higher-spatial dimensions within a universe and thus there must exist a reality where such laws don’t exist at all, something Mei also explicitly states is possible and what the Singular Points appear to represent. 


Naturally “It” would scale as it has destroyed multiple universes up to this point through Singular Points, which to note would also scale the full extent of Archetype molecules. This is all basically Modal Realism, just with the context that “impossible worlds” are in contrast or defined by the laws of physics with Mei’s specific analogy so sadly no High 1-A for you today, Goji. And as Ultima’s final state as the Omega Point was gonna rip the Singular Point apart that state should also scale to Low-Outer.


The full consciousness of “It” meanwhile seems to have a solid enough argument to be Outerversal, given this consciousness explicitly exists beyond the Singular Point with supporting evidence from its own POV that it views everything as dreams within dreams. Could it be higher? Potentially but that’s where we enter really murky waters. As far as we can tell in the novel, “It’s” dreams are of quantitatively lower realities and we simply don’t know if the “dream stack” so to speak extends to its own qualitative state of existence. Conversely we admit the arguments are still somewhat shaky even for Outer just given the vagueness of the novel so “It’s” fullest extent only being quantitatively superior is also just as much of a possibility. As other people have found it with their own readings of the SP novel, you can just as easily argue that "It" isn't really working through avatars but just projecting its consciousness into a physical body while the rest of the singularity exists in an inter-universal space.


Tl;dr - The Singular Point and Omega Point scale to Countless-D/Low-Outerversal. At most, with a generous interpretation of how “It” works it could be Outerversal.

Does Ultima even have a weakness?!

So what is Ultima’s weakness exactly? It was defeated after all, so what was done to overcome it? There appears to be a common misconception that a miraculous, unfathomably complex calculation was necessary in defeating Ultima and ejecting its Singular Point from reality. This is true… but it’s very often overlooked what the calculation resulted in that bested Ultima.


If you were to watch the anime, you’d come off only with the information that the miracle solution involved some way of manipulating Archetype molecules using the Orthogonal Diagonalizer, but the novelization makes the solution explicitly clear: The calculation is what allowed Jet Jaguar PP to grow to giant size and gain the strength to damage the singularity. After JJPP’s sacrifice, the anchors between the singularity were damaged which ejected Ultima and the Singular Points from reality and the Archetype molecules to become inert and start decomposing. To quote the novel directly:


One way, and the one I most wished to avoid, would have been to create a new “machine assembled from archetypes” from the thick red dust surrounding Gojira, using the orthogonal diagonalizer in Arikawa Yun’s hands.


Where in the world did that parameter come from?

The parameters were folded into the “song”. Pelops 2, realizing the impossibility of annihilating the archetype, attempted to defeat Gojira by “strengthening” JJ.


In other words, the plan was to decide the battle not by superchemical means, but by blows, which is somewhat out of my style. However, if I could beat the singularity, there is no doubt that my workload would be reduced, and I would have the chance to destroy the singularity myself.


However this was much easier said than done. Due to Ultima’s insane probability manipulation, hundreds of millions of possible solutions were nullified at once and Jet Jaguar PP only managed to achieve victory through having the opposite ability to connect and reattach possibilities. It also goes without saying that the Omega Point wouldn’t have this weakness since it grows into and past our universe. But if the fight were to start with Goji in a pre-Omega Point form, technically all you really need to do is…


HIT HIM REALLY HARD!

Verdicts

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Team Hulk


Stats


These two radioactive creatures are known for their terrifying amount of power and strength, and when they show up you know shit is about to go down. But just how powerful are Hulk and Godzilla? Who exactly is the more powerful between the two? Both Hulk and Godzilla have numerous feats that range from cosmic feats all the way up to higher-dimensional, and have fought numerous powerful foes that threaten existence as we know it itself. Let’s start off with the Incredible Hulk!


The Hulk’s power varies — as the saying goes, the angrier he gets the stronger he gets. To start off with some lower scale feats, the Hulk can regularly survive nukes, cause earthquakes, could potentially destroy the entire east coast of the United States with mere footsteps, hold the tectonic plates of a planet, and even destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth. We then get to even higher feats that can range from the Universal to even Multiversal+ levels of power. He was able to destroy Nightcrawler’s universe, channeled the energy of two universes when split from Banner, shook Nightmare’s realm, and sent tremors across the Crossroads, a realm of infinite interlinked realities. His best physical feat though, is him breaking the unbreakable chains of Uthl, which were made from the essence of the First Firmament. This is significant because these chains were able to bind Eternity, the abstract personification of Marvel’s Omniverse. Not even Galactus as the Life Bringer could free him! This should easily put the Hulk at Outerversal levels of power, if not multiple “layers” into it given the hierarchy of Marvel’s cosmology.


Moving on to Godzilla, he also has some very good feats on his own too that have varying different levels. He was able to destroy Gorath, a meteor that would have destroyed the planet. He also was able to destroy the Earth and Moon from a beam struggle with SpaceGodzilla, and after absorbing ignited uranium from Baas Island, he had a meltdown that was compared to the Big Bang! Through scaling to other characters, Godzilla can get even higher. Mothra was able to defeat and imprison Desghidorah, who was able to destroy the universe when well fed. SpaceGodzilla’s gravity manipulation transcended the laws of physics and reached 4D levels of power. But none of this compares to the power of Ultima. Ultima was able to engulf the entire Multiverse, and Ultima perceived realities and timelines as if they were dreams. This would overall get Ultima into the Low Outer-Outerversal levels of power. With this it might seem like Hulk and Godzilla are evenly matched in AP and Durability, however due to the size of the Marvel Cosmology, Hulk is more layered into Outer than Ultima. So overall, Hulk is still almost infinitely higher in AP and Durability than Godzilla.


But if we decide to go bonkers and be incredibly lenient to both characters, we can just go to the absolute highest conclusion for Ultima and place him at Outer+ if (and we mean a gigantic if here, this is far too speculative to be argued in our opinion), i.e. infinite layers into Outerversal if we treat his dreams as constantly increasing layers of R>F. This however still isn’t quite enough though to match up to the Green Goliath as realms like Overspace in J.M. DeMatteis’ writings also contain an infinite hierarchy R>F realms plus the Nexus of All Realities that encompasses and transcends the framework of such a hierarchy, placing Hulk at High Outerversal for either being able to battle Dr. Strange in JMD works who can affect the Nexus or in a composite cosmology where beings like The Chaos King can threaten the entirety of Multi-Eternity yet can be matched by the power of Elder Gods such as Gaea, who Hulk chain-scales from via Thor being able to best Gaea, kill multiple Elder Gods, and Hulk himself being compared directly to the Demogorge, the strongest of Gaea’s children and the Elder Gods in general.


Next we move on to speed. First off, Hulk doesn’t really have many great speed feats himself. However, he gets VERY high with scaling to other heroes and villains. He has been able to keep up with Thor and even dodge Mjolnir. Thor has been able to travel a “universe away” in the time-span of a prayer, which should at least get 9.275 Quintillion C. Mjolnir is so fast it was able to fly casually back to Thor and Odin casually after it was sent to “the farthest place from here beyond the farthest point of known existence where it is an endless abyss beyond the eyes of even the most ancient, abstract primordial gods” by Sif, which would easily get to Immeasurable. Hulk has also kept up with the Silver Surfer, who has been able to search half the galaxy in less than a minute, and fly from Overspace back into the physical universe which would also get Immeasurable.


Now for Godzilla, he actually has some good speed feats on his own. He was able to cross the Dark Nebula’s plane in a single leap (or 500,000,000) light years. This would get 15 Quadrillion C. Through scaling, Godzilla can get to 293 - 587 Quadrillion C by scaling to SpaceGodzilla, whose birth illuminated the entire universe. However, we then get into Ultima. Ultima was said to possess equal if not higher computing speed than super calculators, which can perform calculations at infinite speed. This would put Ultima at infinite levels of speed. However, Ultima can get into the Immeasurable ranges of speed, as he was able to float and travel through universes that are countless-dimensions in size. This would put Hulk and Godzilla around even in speed. Speed is a tie.


Overall, while both of them can reach into Outerversal levels of strength, Hulk should still be infinitely stronger than Godzilla by a large margin. And while they are both around even in terms of speed, Hulk should still overall take stats due to being infinitely stronger.


Arsenal & Abilities


Now this is the tricky bit, as both characters have an insane amount of abilities piled upon across decades upon decades of storylines and adventures.


To start, practically all of the Hulk’s powers stem from the physics-defying nature of gamma radiation. And beyond impossible strength and inhuman senses, to uniquely interact with the environment such as being able to grab the spirits and ghosts, smash temporal storms, and even interact with conceptual and informational structures. His adaptability and absorption have also allowed Hulk to endure far more than what just his physical durability would get him, ranging from magic from the best users of the mystical arts, attacks down to fundamental particles, survive in incredibly hostile environments, temporal attacks on his very own history, and even attacks from cosmic energy which is inherently antithetical to gamma and normally nullifies it completely. And to top all that off, Hulk isn’t just invincible, he’s immortal! His physical body can regenerate from immense physical damage, recovering from both massive organ and limb loss in mere moments, while his ties to the Green Door, which Hulk should have access to in this soft-comp of all of Hulk’s abilities (and even then we know that one Green Door is still open in his head), make it so that even total physical evisceration and possibly even total physical annihilation is something the Hulk could return from given enough time as his soul would travel and return from the Below-Place. His mental and spiritual defenses are also incredibly tough, with both his natural Hulkscape and the Mind Palace allowing for Hulk/Bruce to defend against both mental and spiritual attacks in a realm where he has full total control of and can reject beings like Doctor Strange from entering. And when it comes to means of attack, Hulk’s physical blows very literally reach across dimensions such as when the shockwaves of his clashes with Thor could spread across universes through the Superflow. Certain personalities such as the Titan could also reach across spaces like the Superflow through gamma energy projections. 


And this just covers some of the most important abilities Hulk has and what he’s naturally capable of. Hulk is absolutely loaded with gear and weaponry, ranging from both melee weapons such as swords and axes to guns and cannons and EMPs and force shields! Armor like the Timestream Armor also boosts Hulk’s resistances to temporal manipulation while also allowing him to cross time itself, while the Mind Palace lets Hulk travel across the Superflow itself.


Moving onto Godzilla, the mighty kaiju has an enormous amount of abilities from all its different iterations. There is of course the King of Monsters’ atomic breath, which across all his different variations can alter the weather, annihilate things down to the sub-atomic level, pierce space-time, bypass invulnerabilities and attack nullifications, and even rip apart causality. Not to mention it possesses variations that grow stronger infinitely. Godzilla is also unfathomably resistant and capable of adapting to what looks to be almost anything! He’s shrugged off cosmic storms on a space-time level, atomic destruction, antimatter, mental attacks and debuffs, attacks that can render things into empty voids, being forcefully tossed across realities, and general exposure to phenomena allows Godzilla to adapt (albeit at varying rates it seems depending on the complexity) and overcome nearly any situation as long as the kaiju has enough energy. Goji’s regenerative capabilities are also plain ridiculous, being able to come back from being reduced to bone, down to just his soul, and can even regenerate the very thoughts that compose his being. And to add yet another layer to Godzilla’s ridiculous defenses, his Ultima version can literally weave through probabilities and manipulate reality to make it so that events and attacks against him simply don’t occur or are unable to connect, up to hundreds of millions of times at any given moment. And this is all on top of seemingly miscellaneous but nonetheless potent abilities like flat out time and dimensional travel, resurrection, possession, passively destroying “context” and concepts like human will, and cloning/duplication.


As to equipment, Godzilla is surprisingly stacked with his ridiculous quantity of support items from video games, being able to heal, stop time, revive, open rifts in space and time, nullify attacks, gain invulnerability, teleport across an area, and restore his energy. This is all on top of armor, swords, and firearms because of course someone needed to arm Godzilla with swords, armor, and guns.


So how do these two’s abilities stack up against one another? Well for starters, both characters practically resist every form of damage they can throw at one another. Both Hulk and Goji can resist attacks on cellular, molecular, atomic, antimatter, space-time, spiritual, mental, magical, and even temporal levels. There is damn near no type of attack neither have ever encountered before. To add to that, the Hulk’s immense stat advantage as mentioned in the previous section as well as Godzilla’s regenerative capabilities combined with damage nullifiers/invulnerability bonuses help them recover from such attacks (that apply) from one another. Even what sound like what should be especially potent attacks such as Ultima’s atomic breath being able to tear apart causality isn’t anything new to Hulk as his very origin and being as the Hulk, scaling off of near-identical universes like 6160, are impossible to change while also being able to break the Pactum Aeternus without appearing to suffer any consequences and is incredibly resistant to his very history being unwritten actively even without his Timestream armor. And lastly Godzilla’s defensive probability manipulation is simply bypassed by Hulk’s and other gamma-mutates ability to resist Wanda’s Chaos magic, with Hulk himself outright resisting an attack with a direct connection to the Well of Chaos itself.


So neither can effectively harm the other, but are there other means of attack for either character? Well time travel comes to mind, but both characters are capable of that and should be able to track one another across dimensions given both the tech Hulk has with the Timestream and Mind Palace gears and the Singular Point’s inherent existence as a higher-dimensional being that can see across time has its avatar/s armed with time travel abilities and tech. And on that note, Hulk can absolutely reach the higher form of Ultima with both the Mind Palace’s ability to navigate the Superflow and Hulk’s blows being able to travel across and be felt in worlds across the Superflow. And while Hulk hasn’t done it directly, we know that gamma radiation from casual applications like normal scientific instruments in Marvel are able to reach back to the Below-Place, meaning even the high-end interpretations of Ultima aren’t in the clear of being targeted by the Hulk’s attacks. Both not only resist absorption, but both have also experienced “tug of wars” in absorbing energy from and back from their opponents mid-battle without counting any random energy sources they can run into in an expansive, cosmic encounter such as this as well as the passive energy and radiation they will both be naturally leaking out.


But now we enter the territory where we believe The Incredible Hulk takes the lead. 


For one, Godzilla’s attempts at possessing the Hulk or attacking his mind may actually backfire as the Hulk uses the Mind Palace or Hulkscape to just trap Goji in his head. We’ve seen not only that mental projections of Bruce and the Hulk fight back against invaders, but can outright restrain and keep them there as we’ve seen with Odin, Dr. Strange, The Leader, and Titan. If the fight were to eventually come down to an extended draw, there’s no reason why an invading Goji or say an emerging Titan personality would trap Godzilla forever, and whatever remnants of Goji ranging from other duplicates to other created kaiju could be more easily defeated over time. One could also make a similar argument if Godzilla were to absorb Hulk’s gamma and be sent to the Below-Place upon defeat, where if Hulk were to also defeat him there he would be incapacitated more than long enough to count for a win 


Or one could argue that in a composite scenario simply defeating the true form beyond reality would best all the other Gojis all at once. After all, while Godzilla has demonstrated the capacity to regenerate from thought, it’s still a massive blow to Godzilla’s physical existence that Hulk could use to effectively pin Godzilla down forever, not counting the fact that Hulk would already affect him informationally to begin with. Without a physical or even spiritual form, Godzilla likely wouldn't be able to contain much, if at all, radiation or energy he’d normally absorb across the battle which at the very least would stall the battle long enough to count as a win.


Finally, as cheap as it sounds, the fight may just last long enough that the Green Doors, either the one open in Hulk’s head or them being open in general for a “comp vs comp” encounter, would lead The One Below All to manifest and just devour Ultima as he did with the likes of Galactus, Franklin Richards, Immortal Man, and Metatron. Mind you Hulk wouldn’t even need to have become the Breaker-Apart as just the possessed Hulk state is shown to have killed Abstracts out right, and we know that while Hulk is technically incapacitated his soul itself would still be alive even after a lengthy possession as we’ve seen with Brian Banner’s soul.


But it is also worth noting that all of this is predicated on the fact that Godzilla actually enters a form that isn’t easy to defeat: i.e. The Omega Point. Remember that just regular Ultima was defeated from Jet Jaguar PP striking at the singularity and damaging it enough to knock “It” (or its physical body at the very least) out from ever affecting reality any time soon. So depending on how the fight starts in the official episode, Godzilla may never even be able to unleash his full power without Hulk replicating JJPP’s feat with just as much ease. The only argument really for Godzilla would be to assume he can manage the same information level attack on Hulk, but Ultima never demonstrates this ability on anything other than itself during a controlled self-destruction.


All-in-all, while the dreaded King of The Monsters has so much to draw upon in all his years of history and isn’t really killable for most of these wincons, it’s still the Green Goliath who at least manages to make it difficult for Godzilla to even fight back, or outright wins depending on the conditions of how the fight starts or how you interpret outside help. 


Tertiary Factors


Now this is a more interesting section as we delve into the information beyond the stats and powers as we first delve into Experience. Now while the Big Green Rage Machine has definitely been fighting for a very long time and faced his fair share of odd characters, the King of the Monsters simply has just faced off against Monsters for far longer than Hulk.


Now Hulk has definitely been in tough and long fights before, what with Sakaar, his run from the Military, the science career of Banner pre-bomb, and the Time Travel adventure he went on, it just simply isn’t enough compared to Godzilla who has existed long before the first man discovered fire, being shown as a pre-historic Dinosaur in a few incarnations. There’s also the matter that Godzilla has been fighting a generally more varied and diverse line-up of Rogue’s, who can use a very wide and large variety of powers and abilities, compared to Hulk who’s mostly fought against the Military, other Gamma Mutates, and other raging beasts most often, where Godzilla has fought those and more on the regular. Godzilla takes experience.


But where this gets interesting is when we delve into Intelligence, as we pit the Brains of Banner against… Ultima.


Now even understanding Ultima to begin with takes a very high IQ, which is very much intended by Toh EnJoe, as the characters in the series typically use their brains to overcome Ultima. And due to Ultima’s existence he’s beyond not just physical space, but perceivable intelligence too. He can make a perfect avatar, via using all the information around the world to make it as powerful as it is to begin with, having a limitless library of reference material to pull from. So can Puny Banner’s Puny Brain outsmart this being? Well believe it or not… he can.


There are a lot of instances of Banner using his absurdly large intelligence, there’s an easier way to go about it. Ultima does possess a very large database of knowledge, which is in addition to his own knowledge of understanding himself, and the unlimited potential that stems from your very own thoughts and dreams. However, when we look at Banner’s intelligence, his stems from knowing your enemy well is just as important as knowing your limits well. Given the fact that, at the end of the day, Godzilla is a radioactive kaiju, seeing Banner think of a way to take down the King with his own knowledge of Gamma and general Radiation is more likely to be helpful in the long run compared to Ultima’s more general knowledge on humanity. While Ultima could definitely devise some way to keep itself safe, Banner would be able to deduce more on the giant lizard by just how it moves and fights, and how to keep himself alive in case he needs to. Professor Hulk also makes sure that Banner dying right away to an atomic breath isn’t a sure bet at knocking him off the board.


Picture this more so as quality versus quantity. While the quantity of intelligence here may be greater, the quality of knowledge here is more useful in comparison. While both may know a few things the other does, one is a better bet in getting a game winning strategy.


To break it down, Banner’s brains and the Hulk’s brawn nets the Green Giant a win in the Intelligence category.



I know you locked me away for years. I know I scare you. What I do. What I am. But before any of the others…I was there. Protecting you. I’ll always protect you. Cause I love you, you stupid kid. Somebody had to. Come on home.


Advantages:

  • Infinitely stronger and more durable

  • Can interact with Godzilla’s existence down to a fundamental level

  • Far more intelligent with the aid of Banner and his tech

  • Greater resistances

  • Insane levels of regeneration and immortality 

  • Peter David (R.I.P), Bill Mantlo, Greg Pak, and Al Ewing

  • Consistently has had some of the best modern Marvel comic runs

  • Hulk VS


Equal:

  • Speed is comparable

  • Both are effectively batteries for one another to feed off of

  • If things came down to it, both are skilled with swords, guns, and martial arts (shockingly)


Disadvantages:

Conclusion


Overall, this would very much not be an easy fight for the Hulk, as Godzilla truly is the perfect match for the Strongest Avenger and the powerful Mind of Bruce Banner.


Hulk may have an infinite gap in strength, far superior intelligence, and a laundry list of resistances, but Godzilla certainly won’t go down without a fight due to his matter of existence, experience, and his wide variety of powers.


But in the end, the Brawn of the Hulk, the Brains of Banner, and the resistances between them is more then enough to finally dethrone the King and show once and for all that the Strongest One There Is, is The Incredible Hulk.

Team Godzilla


Wait a minute- 


Team Stalemate


Oh.


Stats


Well… that’s unexpected.


So, for this blog, no stone was left unturned. Godzilla’s sprawling 70+ years of history were examined from front to back (no easy feat), and everything he was and is capable of is on the table. After everything, as the smoke clears… something unexpected stands alone. A… stalemate! Yes, as it turns out, Toho’s Champion of Monsters just can’t seem to put down Marvel’s Breaker of Worlds. However, the denizens of Monster Island shouldn’t give up hope yet, because the king won’t be giving up his throne that easily. With his unbelievable abilities and atomic fury, just how can Godzilla halt the Incredible Hulk?


As thoroughly established in the previous verdict, Godzilla unfortunately falls short in physical stats, lacking any showings impressive enough to match Hulk breaking the chains of Uthl. While Godzilla’s passive/focused absorption of energy in tandem with his adaptability, evolution, power surges, and rage boosting means he’ll always be getting stronger, he has a snowball’s chance in Hell of ever getting himself to Hulk’s level. At the end of the day, the only form of the Hulk that the Monster King trumps in power is a pre-transformation Bruce Banner. Despite quite literally dwarfing his opponent, unlike the Shockirus, this is one green bug that the Big G won’t be able to shrug off. 


He fairs a bit better when it comes to speed, however, with both him and the green goliath being able to move at speeds the puny human mind can barely perceive. Between travelling to Planet Godzilla across the Dark Nebula and scaling to SpaceGodzilla’s blinding birth, the Big G can move at almost 600 Quadrillion times faster than light! Impressive, but when it comes to feats unbound by finite numbers, Ultima has been able to match and surpass the processing speeds of even the most advanced supercomputers working against him. Computers that, in the world of Singular Point, can operate at Infinite speeds. While this admittedly is slower than Hulk, the Monster of Justice isn’t done yet! As previously mentioned, moving through universes that are countless-dimensions in size would mean Godzilla can also reach Immeasurable speeds. Not only would this put him directly on par with Hulk, but thanks to Ultima’s precognition, on top of warping and being able to track Hulk’s energy, no matter where he is (which will be brought up later), Goji would not only be able to keep up, but would actually have a slight edge in reaction time.


While Godzilla can pick up the pace needed for speed to be a tie, he takes the silver medal in the stat department overall, due to lacking an answer to Hulk’s mind-boggling strength. Looks like this atomic clock was knocked down to a half-life when up against the unholy power of gamma! The Hulk takes physical stats.



Arsenal & Abilities


Moving on from Godzilla’s stats, we have his long list of abilities. While Hulk is no slouch when it comes to his offensive capabilities in this category, Godzilla has him beat in terms of variety and deadly application. As a grand composite of different versions of himself, Goji benefits a lot from his long history. A main point to focus on is his insane survivability. Even though his strength pales in comparison to Hulk’s, his regeneration more than makes up for it. 


Godzilla has been able to come back from decapitation, having his flesh melted off, being torn apart, poisoned, frozen, melted, drained of energy, and even having his very soul and the information that composes his being destroyed, which are just too potent for Hulk to clap away instantly. Even trying to mess with his body on an atomic level is a mute point, as he’s regenerated from attacks intended to crush atoms and split molecules. While certain timelines claim Godzilla can handily regenerate from a single cell left behind, we’ve seen evidence that he can actually go beyond even that. He’s shown proficiency at returning to life when there’s not a spec left, such as when he was physically and spiritually erased by Zeus during their climactic battle. With Ultima added to the equation, his already unbelievable regeneration goes even further in scope and scale. So, while the jolly green gamma giant may be able to Hulk Smash™ Goji into a fine radioactive paste, the King of the Monsters can bounce back with barely a feather ruffled. As a matter of fact, even this may not be thorough enough in emphasizing just how insane Godzilla’s regeneration capabilities are. The very thoughts that make him what he is will allow him to repair himself. All of this is to say that Godzilla’s regeneration is one of his biggest saving graces in this fight. It will always ensure he can take whatever Hulk throws at him, and more importantly, allow him to come back from even the most devastating of attacks. Pretty handy when against a guy occasionally known as the “Worldbreaker”.


However, you may be wondering, if Godzilla is at such a steep disadvantage in stats, how does he stand a chance of doing anything against the monster that was once Bruce Banner? Well, Godzilla’s wide catalogue of abilities are a big part of this fight, and potentially the area where he holds the most substantial lead on the Hulk.


Of course, it would be futile to list everything again, but Godzilla’s escapades have allotted him a resistance to or counter for most forms of damage that could befall him, including any and all ways Hulk could try and take him down. 


Now, abilities is one thing, but what about arsenal? For a monster perhaps best known for towering over even the largest modern metropolis, you may not expect Godzilla to be carrying any tools to help him in battle. However, he actually possesses a surprising amount of weapons and power-ups. His time spent as a Monster Warrior bestowed him with the Hero’s Divine Armor, Sword, and Shield, which he uses with startling expertise in battle. Aside from that, he has numerous abilities from his video game adventures. From simply boosting his power, to allowing him to stop time and access stronger forms such as Super Godzilla, the Big G has no shortage of upgrades and armaments to bust out on the battlefield. Of course, a battle between Godzilla and Hulk is highly unlikely to end in a guns drawn standoff (but how awesome would that be), though it is worth noting that both are far more versatile in combat than simple punches and tail thwips. 


Now, Godzilla having more abilities at his immediate disposal is one thing, but it matters not if none can help him against his rage-fuelled opponent. How these two monsters match one another was very thoroughly explained in Hulk’s verdict, but to reiterate, one can recover from pretty much anything the other throws at him. Despite the previously mentioned gap in stats, Godzilla’s regeneration and adaptability keeps him in the fight, and the overwhelming amount of powers at his claws would let him keep up, despite his far inferior strength. This is without even mentioning the fact that both would be supplying one another with power throughout the entire battle. Even if Hulk attempted to cut off Godzilla from leeching any more of his energy, Godzilla’s versatility once again shines through, as he could continue to gain radiation from the Earth, cosmic energy if the two ended up in space, electricity, humanity’s emotion, and even lifeforce energy if need be. Looks like Rick Stanton was right. That lizard is, indeed, juiced. Now, this does come with the caveat that Godzilla can’t actually do much damage to Hulk in turn, even with his gargantuan lineup of abilities. Hulk’s regeneration is impressive in its own right, and he resists a huge chunk of Godzilla’s haxes and powers that would normally make for solid advantages against any other opponent. 


All this is to say that a fight between the two would mostly be a back and forth. One “kills” the other a certain way, only for him to regenerate/resurrect, “kill” the other in a different way, and so on and so forth. Given both can adapt in combat fairly quickly, they would inevitably dish out every trick and strategy to try and come out on top, with each one being written off as the two adapt to each other over time.


However, that means a point will eventually come when their options are narrowed down, even if it takes a while and a lot of trampled real estate to do so.


Now, we know both can take pretty much whatever comes their way, but what do either have in the way of lasting damage? Given Godzilla lacks the power to take Hulk down, he would have to rely upon his abilities and, in the case of Ultima, his otherworldly being to stay in the game.


It’s pretty inarguable that Godzilla would be able to continue fighting, even for long stretches of time. Even without his aforementioned energy resources, he’s showcased incredible stamina, even when badly wounded. This includes the scuffle between him and Rodan that lasted for 12 hours, or when he took on Perfect Stage Hedorah from dusk to dawn, despite having his eye and hand melted. And who could forget Final Wars, where a thawed-out Goji, in a confused attempt to finish a long over battle with the Gotengo, trudged his way from the South Pole to Sydney to New Guinea to Manazuru to Mount Fuji to Tokyo Bay in the assumed span of a single day while fighting and defeating kaiju at every turn. Even after all of that, he still had enough anger and power to destroy the planet-busting Gorath and take on Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah and Modified Gigan. We joked about half-lives in the last section, but you’re not beating this beast’s longevity.


So, if the two could keep fighting until their adaptation made it so all but their last remaining Hail Mary strategies were left, how would that play out?


When it comes to ways Hulk could permanently take out Goji, the latter’s frankly absurd regenerative properties means it’ll be quite the challenge. Hulk’s only reliable method of getting rid of his skyscraper-sized lizard problem involves sealing Godzilla away, or removing him from the universe all together, which would leave Ultima without a way to interact with the world and end the fight via T.K.O. However, the King of the Monsters can’t be kept away so easily. Hulk’s options come from the Green Door/Below Place and potentially absorbing Godzilla. For the former, Hulk would need to open a Green Door and get Godzilla through it, which would be easier said than done. Godzilla’s avatar is potentially too large to be pulled through, especially in later stages of evolution where it’d grow to the size of the universe. Even if Hulk was able to bring Godzilla in and lock the door, Goji’s abilities to travel through dimensions and time should be a reliable escape option by “opening a new door” in a way. Additionally, if Hulk tried to seal Godzilla through absorbing him, his ability to see it coming via precognition and being able to teleport would be reliable countermeasures. Even the Hulkscape isn’t a surefire way of containing Godzilla, as the Big G’s precognition and dimensional travel could help him to avoid being dragged into a situation he couldn’t escape from. Considering their speeds are equal, Godzilla’s evasion would keep the fight going, and both taking in each others’ energy would let them charge and adapt simultaneously. All in all, the battle between Godzilla and Hulk would continue with no end, until another monster inevitably arises and the two team up.


Tertiary Factors


When it comes down to Experience, the answer is rather clear cut. While you could argue that Hulk has encountered, studied, and more importantly, battled a more diverse pool of friends and foes across his 60+ years of smashing, Godzilla one-ups Banner in this category thanks to… just being so damn old. 


Even taking into account the extra time Hulk spent fighting on Sakaar, his incidents/adventures with time travel, and the scientific career Bruce Banner enjoyed prior to the gamma bomb incident in the first place, Godzilla is hundreds of millions of years old at a minimum. While where Godzilla came from, or what he was prior to the atomic age, varies depending on the story, it’s almost always the case that he originated as a prehistoric creature. Whether that was a normal dinosaur which was mutated into Godzilla, one of many Godzillas that was additionally monster-fied by the bombs, or even just straight up existing as normal before atomic science was even a thing (IDW, you’re funny), Godzilla has, quite simply, been around for a long time. Far longer than Hulk, at least. That, on top of Godzilla’s rogues gallery also being incredibly varied and multifaceted in terms of both abilities and state of being, gives the King of the Monsters more to work with. Godzilla takes the edge in Experience.


In terms of Intelligence, however, the answer isn’t nearly as cut and dry. While Godzilla himself is far from dumb, he isn’t exactly surpassing the brain power of Dr. Bruce Banner (ironic, considering Goji has two brains). Why isn’t this open and shut then, you ask? Well… time to turn to the malicious Ultima sitting in the corner.


Godzilla Ultima has been the subject of many jokes regarding how one needs smarts to even begin to understand it or its show, but for good reason! Toh EnJoe’s master vision was to have a series where the characters use their minds to solve problems, and that’s what we got. For better or for worse. As a result, Ultima, in addition to being an entity beyond physical space, is also beyond perceivable intelligence! It can gather any information from beings on Earth, using their knowledge to inform its decisions and ensure it makes optimal choices. This includes creating a physical form, using gathered knowledge to create the perfect organism with which it could roam our world. With infinite information it can pull from, does Banner stand a chance at outsmarting such a monster? Well… yes. 


While this could be answered simply enough by listing off various examples of how absurdly smart Banner is, it’s actually even simpler than that. Ultima possesses an unbelievable amount of knowledge, added onto by its understanding of its own being, and the infinite possibilities that stem from its thoughts and dreams. However, Banner’s intelligence benefits him greatly in situations where knowing your enemy is just as important as knowing your own capabilities. Situations like… battling giant irradiated kaiju. It’s rather easy to envision Banner’s extensive understanding of gamma and radioactive science aiding him against Godzilla, as opposed to Ultima’s wider scope of knowledge filling it in on humanity as a whole. While Ultima could garner a strategy to keep itself safe and/or at full power, Banner would be able to deduce more about how Godzilla functions, and how to keep himself alive if he happened to be exposed at some point during the struggle. Even that’s doubtful, though, as Professor Hulk would remove any risk of human Bruce being the victim of frame one atomic breath, while keeping the brainpower at a maximum. 


Ultimately (heh), it comes down to wealth of knowledge vs application of knowledge. Think of it like pitting a Jeopardy! champion against an experienced psychics teacher. The former may literally know more, but the latter will more effectively utilize their knowledge in situations where it's required. What the two know may even overlap in parts, but when application is needed, the one with more to apply will win the day.


To make a long explanation short, the Hulk brain-blasts his way to a victory in Intelligence. Brain + brawn is a dangerous pairing!



I can’t believe that Godzilla was the last of his species. If nuclear testing continues, then someday, somewhere in the world, another Godzilla may appear.


Advantages:

  • Possesses a wider breadth of abilities and hax

  • Incredibly versatile and adaptable, making up for the stat gap

  • Regeneration makes it VERY hard for Hulk to permanently kill him

  • Dimensional travel, precognition, and resurrection would allow him to outlast and escape Hulk’s winning strategies

  • More experienced by virtue of being much older

  • Precognition grants a slight edge in reaction time, though without it, they’re still even in speed

  • Possesses a greater wealth of knowledge thanks to Ultima…

  • Ishiro Honda, Tomoyuki Tanaka, Eiji Tsuburaya, and Akira Ifukube

  • Heads a franchise enduring enough to survive two separate decade-long hiatuses


Equal:

  • Speed is comparable

  • Both are effectively batteries for one another to feed off of

  • If things came down to it, both are skilled with swords, guns, and martial arts (again, shockingly)


Disadvantages:

  • Far weaker and less durable

  • Much of his hax is resisted

  • Possesses fewer reliable options to return from informational destruction

  • … But is less directly intelligent than Banner

  • If Ultima is vulnerable pre-Omega Point, he could be K.O’d quickly

  • Absolutely sucks at soccer

  • “Doesn't work in America”.... What?

    • Tristar is underrated ngl - Cardinal (No it’s not - Hippo)

  • Godzilla’s Revenge (I’m a fan. - L.A.D.)

  • Ultima can’t talk please stop acting like he can it’s so out of character oh my god - Bananabot24


Conclusion


Overall, this fight would be the toughest of Godzilla’s life. He’s faced plenty of formidable beasts, but none quite as powerful, and quite as angry, as the Hulk. 


What Godzilla lacks in stats and intelligence, he makes up for with his versatility, regeneration, and staggering amount of abilities that ensures he can stay in the game and prevent Hulk’s wincons from keeping him down. 


Godzilla, the King of the Monsters, is one of the mightiest kaiju to stalk the screen, silver and small. His power knows no bounds, but in the end, neither does the Incredible Hulk’s. At the end of the day, while both of these radioactive behemoths have their own advantages, fundamentally, we believe this battle would ultimately come down to a Stalemate.

Final Tally


Team Hulk [12]: (Blessedaura, FMT, Hippo, Landon1195, Minato, Pasbros, Sifu, Spidey, Sr-Fish, TheCardinalKing, The Monster King, Yerm)

(Verdict written by Landon, Sifu, Blessedaura, and Cardinal)


Team Godzilla [0]: (“You have your fear, which might become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.”)

Stalemate [6]: (AdamPrimus, Bananabot24, L.A.D., RedHeadedElf, Saul, WoahZaz!)

(Verdict written by Adam and L.A.D.)



Message from da Yerm

Hello there, assuming you didn’t just skip to this part😤, thank you so much for reading the blog! So many people on this blog put a lot of themselves into this project and we’re all super proud of how it turned out. Huge special thanks to Sifu and Cardinal for managing the insane Marvel cosmology, with Cardinal in particular also soloing the Singular Point anime and novel, Blessed for reading so much for Hulk, Zaz and L.A.D. for helping significantly with the Godzilla research to make the process easier, ChrisFormerly007, Cryotechnics, FMT, Spirit and WoahZaz for the wonderful graphics they lended for this and French for his track that he made just for this blog. (you should all listen to it btw)


Once again we would like to say this is not a Media Mania or G1 Blog. This is a separate project that my good friend Tru is letting us host. He is still currently working on Booster Gold VS Agent Jones so stay tuned for that. Once I heard G1 wasn’t doing this, I wanted to step up and try not only because I think this matchup absolutely deserves a blog due to the sheer complexity of it, but also because of the strong personal attachment I have to both characters. I’ve loved both of these guys since I was like 5 cause they were just cool silly monsters and have even more appreciation for them now with Immortal Hulk and Godzilla Minus One in recent years highlighting the story potential both of these characters have for exploring themes of how trauma affects you, a cycle of pain and loss, the search for purpose, etc. I’m very much looking forward to how Death Battle explores this matchup both in the analysis and how crazy the fight can go. This was quite the first blog for me to run, but maybe I’ll do more in the future idk…


……By the way go see One Battle After Another in September and lend PTA your money



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Comments

  1. Después de leerlo 3 veces.....cómo que los apartados y conclusiones tienen una que otra discrepancia

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  2. Most of the scaling is actually pretty legit and well done, though I particularly take issue with the Godzilla in Hell segment (Because of course). Don't take any of this too seriously, it's just some goofy scaling.

    You brought up 3 arguments:
    -"Godzilla didn't kill GM" + "Erick Freitas' statement"
    -"GIH is not connected to any other continuity and thus GM is not impressive".
    -"GIH has nothing do to with religious concepts".

    1) As far as the comic itself is concerned, you could argue there's some ambiguity in regard to GM's death, but the fact that the beam does enter the portal, an explosion bursts from within the portal, the angels and demons start worshipping Godzilla right afterwards, and the statue of Christ breaks, seem to be good indications that a death occurred.

    As for Erick's statement, fair enough, but then there's also Ulises Farinas (Writer) and Buster Moody (Artist), both of whom have stated that Godzilla did indeed kill GM, meaning there's overall more support for the latter than the former. I've also seen other statements from Erick himself supporting Godzilla scaling to the GM (I don't know, maybe he's confused?).

    Even if we assume none of this applies, the subsequent issues themselves directly mention that the threats that Godzilla's about to face are far stronger than anything he's seen before, so he'll scale above the GM anyway.

    (https://image2url.com/images/1756088278422-3308969c-0c83-4501-aa2a-ff154c508a2f.png)

    2) This one seems kinda stupid no offense. If we go back to the Authors themselves, Erick Freitas has stated verbatim that GM is the creator of IDW Publishing's Godzilla Multiverse (Which is just everything they release for Godzilla). He also stated that the GM created an infinite number of universes. In an interview with Chris Mirjahangir, the representative of IDW just calls their comics the "IDW continuity", implying connectivity between their projects.

    Claiming that they're disconnected because "they appear as glass shards" and "no GM is visible" are just very weak arguments. For the former, they appear as so due to the Multiversal Focus being fragmented, and for the latter, that's because he transcends Multiverse entirely according to Artwork by Buster Moody.

    (https://image2url.com/images/1756093135968-4a12b33e-8bc9-42e9-a43b-c9f9c5dfc3d2.png)

    3) This is based on one singular statement from Erick which doesn't only contradict the comic itself (Depictions of Christ, Angels, Demons, an entire issue revolving around worship and submission, concepts of Heaven and Hell, aspects from Japanese Mythology like the Shinto Gates, direct references to Buddhist thought), but also his other statements.

    (https://image2url.com/images/1756093333286-ea2b6616-3f4e-4a30-b262-cd5b25a44055.png)

    As a side note, I don't know why someone would believe the creature guarding the gates of the Afterlife is Satan, as Satan (Or Lucifer) already appeared in the third issue and fused with SpaceGodzilla, and was then killed by the combined might of Godzilla and Heaven.

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  3. One of the best blogs ever. Thank you guys to make this blog and hope to see more Blogs like this

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